What are the chances that Altuve does not become a first ballot Hall of Famer

The people who vote for the Hall of Fame have nothing to do with All-Star selections. This is not a relevant point.

 

Also, the one rep/team hurt him, as the Angels, White Sox, Mariners & A's best players were all pitchers. (This may also apply to Yates & the Rangers, as I'm not 100% sure Semien makes the team without Altuve opting out; Seager, also, was a replacement - so in the initial roster construction, I believe Yates was the lone Rangers selection?). Anyway, those 4 (5) took spots that might've otherwise gone to Blanco if they were just selecting the best players, regardless of team. In terms of those that made it ahead of Blanco, Houck, Lugo, Burnes & Skubal all had better ERAs. Ragans did not - but had a significantly better FIP.

When there are 2-3, 4 guys all clustered together, sure - the suspension probably was an easy tiebreaker. But I don't see anyone making the team over Blanco that screams conspiracy (other than the one rep/team rule) or that feels unworthy.

 

All-Star selections is a component of HOF.

#thingsyoualreadyknow

Good job, troll.

Wrong about the facts, and instead of acknowledging it, go straight into deflection.

Maybe you're a rat like Fiers too.... Troll Rat

 

Crane, local media, the Astros franchise, in general, have not done nearly enough to defend Altuve and his legacy. Not enough Carlos Correas and Ben Duboses out there.

There should be a 30-for-30 style documentary about how Manfred and baseball writers turned one of the greatest underdog stories in sports into a villain. There have been actual cheaters, wife beaters, criminals, etc. whose pasts are quickly forgotten about. How the hell is Altuve still being consistently booed and jeered five years out? So much so that he doesn't even want to play in All-Star games? It’s a damn shame.

 

F A C T S ?

Hahahahahahahahahaha

 

Paul Skenes - All-Star (11 starts)

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/skenepa01.shtml


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Ronel Blanco - *not* an All-Star (18 starts)

Claiming two missed starts (actually only one) as the reason for a missed selection -- especially considering the context it was being discussed -- is either ignorance or trolling. Pitchers are selected as All-Stars every year with fewer than 18 starts. You already knew that, Mr Potatohead the "Stat Genius".

The reason Blanco wasn't selected is pretty clear. Now, whether he should've been suspended or not is a different discussion.
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So you are saying that missing time. Having less opportunity to put up numbers DOES NOT reduce the chances of being an all star?

You are saying IT IS A FACT that the suspension is why Blanco is not an all star?

And you are using ALL WORLD Paul Skenes, who is in a completely different league (figuratively and literally) as your evidence?

But I'm a troll?

 

YES !!!

 

You’re trying to equate a player not making the All-Star team to a player not getting HoF votes. One is selected by fans/managers; the other by baseball writers. They have no relevance to one another.

 

Q: [thread subject]
A: 0% (the chances are 0% he does not make 1s ballot HOF... all the coaches/players in the league that are active & have been there before him know this....)

he's not only the best H-town rep (maybe other than Biggio -- in 'MY TIME" -- seeing him play in THE 'dome & as a C), but also probably the best baseball player at his height, heritage, team commitment/impact.
no way he's not making it in (1st ballot)... but why are we hedging on HOF ballots when we have SO MANY MORE great years ahead of us...??!!??
Although he's not launching every AB, Altuve is going to be written as one of the most dynamic & game-changing 2B the MLB has ever seen.
Lifeblood of Houston & the Houston Astros. Dude is a hero to so many kids, fans, adults, players, etc...

edit: Thank you, Jose Altuve for calling Houston your home. We literally love you.

 

One of reasons you had to "Going to Bat for Bagwell" was his low number of All-Star selections.

#thingsyoualreadyknow
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They’re not really coming around. They’re still using the story about a scandal from SEVEN years ago, that broke FIVE years ago, to their advantage for clicks and to stir the pot.

It’s still one of the few things the Athletic has actually “broken” as far as relevant news go… and I re-iterate that they were on their last legs before this story came out and basically gave them enough credit/notoriety to stay solvent.

 

I mean.. it is Rosenthal saying Altuve should rightfully be at the all star game to enjoy all of its glory that is the all star game. That in itself deserves some merit as the athletic coming around, as he is an employee of them and wanting Altuve to participate. Or maybe your talking about them coming around on MVP status? That I dont know. But tides have been shifting for awhile on Altuve being a great player, trashcan or not. I don't read the athletic nor subscribe, so I don't really know what else has been said in the past year and and half from them.

As far as brinigng the story up again, imo he kinda has to, to explain 'the why' Altuve has not been there in recent years as he deservingly should be.

Lucky them for staying solvent. They can thank the Astros, the rat and selig for that. As far as them staying solvent, maybe lucky lightening strikes again, but I doubt it and I don't wish them well.

 

You’re not only an incredibly dense human being but also, apparently, a stalker. I’m starting to wonder if I should be worried? I mean, I wrote that… 7? 8 years ago? The web site doesn’t even exist anymore, so totally normal you’d bring it up out of the blue…

Putting aside your strange, unhealthy obsession with me, that article doesn’t even make the point you think it does. I wrote that in response to either an email or a tweet from someone suggesting Bagwell wasn’t a Hall of Famer because he only made four All-Star appearances, an idea I thoroughly rejected.

But, again, that argument is centered around the number of All-Star selections Bagwell garnered. Newsflash: they don’t take the All-Star selection away from Altuve because he doesn’t play in the game. He’s still a nine-time All-Star, which, to whatever degree voters care about All-Star games, that’s a lot. So what in the everliving**** does Jeff Bagwell’s number of All-Star appearances have to do with this?

This is what you said:

I’ll type slowly for you… All-Star selections are made by fans and/or managers. The Hall of Fame is voted on by members of the Baseball Writers Association of America. These are not the same thing, and have no relevancy to one another. So no, there are no “HOF impacts” on Altuve skipping All-Star games.

And yet… here you are, again, flopsweating around and hoping that posting troll pictures will distract everyone from how embarrassingly wrong you are.

If a HoF voter is legitimately upset that Altuve isn’t playing in meaningless exhibition games that writer has nothing to do with - other than covering them - guess what? They already weren’t voting for Altuve. No writer is going to dismiss Altuve’s considerable HoF merits because he didn’t attend an All-Star game.

 

The Toy Cannon was an era just before I became a fan, so I have to plead ignorance. Did he have a contentious relationship with the media? Was there a scandal or incident that I'm honestly unaware of? I'd like to know what happened. Thanks!

 

"I said that 7 years ago, so now it doesn't matter". --- typical rhetoric from a disingenuous person / troll. It's called DEFLECTION

Many factors can affect a HOF selection --- number of All-Star selections is *one* of them. "Media perception" is another one -- that's why I introduced Blanco *after* first talking about Altuve in this same thread today. Fans don't vote for pitchers. Altuve isn't doing himself any favors by dissing the ASG. Will it affect his HOF candidacy?... maybe yes, maybe no.. but it definitely does NOT help -- same way Blanco's suspension most likely affected his All-Star selection. Perception matters.

So go ahead and continue to troll, deny facts because it's "7 years old", deflect, and flatter yourself about being stalked.

 

They went to one more WS in 2021, won a ****ing nother one in 2022, and a game away from going to another one in 2023. They should have been well past running stories linking Altuve to a cheating scandal and how it may or may not influence his ASG attendance habits. It’s not a story without the cheating scandal linked.

He’s also so vilified in part because outfits like them went all in against the Astros even though league-wide everybody has pretty much acknowledged that using some sort of “system” was fairly standard…. And yet there’s still be very little expanded upon other team’s systems despite continued evidence coming out (whether its exactly what Girardi implemented, how the Apple Watches really worked, how the Theraguns compared to trash cans, etc. etc.).

But I agree, Altuve and his legacy will be fine.

 

I never, not once, said it didn't matter, and I certainly didn't deflect. I addressed it directly, stating it wasn't relevant and then explained precisely why it wasn't relevant. How is that deflection? Here - I'll do it again; maybe this time, it'll penetrate your addled brain: the Bagwell/All-Star point was that he did not have enough All-Star selections. That is not the same argument you're making here, which is that Altuve not going to the All-Star game might impact his Hall of Fame credentials. MLB does not take the selection away from Altuve if he doesn't play in the game. He has made the All-Star team nine times. It is a significantly appropriate number for a Hall of Fame career.

Again, anyone with a double-digit IQ would be able to read those two ideas and easily discern they are not the same thing. Further, those same people would wonder why you randomly brought up an old article of mine as some flaccid GOTCHA!, anyway, since it very clearly does not in any way, shape or form contradict what I've been arguing here.

In addition to being dumbfounding, it's also creepy because, again, the article doesn't even exist online anymore. You pulled a seven- or eight-year article up from memory (or from a file you keep on me?). Why is everything I've previously written or posted filling so much of your headspace?

Sure, perception matters. But you're conflating *who's* doing the perceiving. The All-Star Game is a production of Major League Baseball; its standards are wholly unique to executing an exhibition game. Fans, managers and the league office are actively involved in it, and the scope of who it matters to does not extend much beyond that circle.

The Hall of Fame is not governed by Major League Baseball. Therefore, the Hall of Fame perceptions are passing through an entirely different filter. And not one baseball writer - again, other than those who were already not going to vote for Altuve - is going to care if players actually played in All-Star games because the writers have nothing to do with the selection/execution of the All-Star Game. They may care how many All-Star teams they make - but that's not the same issue. Altuve has made plenty of All-Star teams.

So, no - Blanco (presumably) being left off the All-Star team because he cheated does not give any insight into how the BBWAA might regard Altuve skipping All-Star games.

You made a dumb comment, got called on it, and then, rather than accept any responsibility whatsoever, desperately scurried through years-old posts and articles of mine to try and GOTCHA! me, only to fail spectacularly in doing so; so much so, you've been reduced to posting memes. This is not the first time this has happened but maybe it can be the last? Because, honestly... you look like an immature moron.

 

The "Going to Bat for Bagwell" article/link/website doesn't "exist" anymore, yet it's still your signature --- STUPID, INCOHERENT, ILLOGICAL, DEFLECTIVE rebuttal on multiple levels. Do better.

"HEY Ima p**sy NOW" claims a poster is stalking him, when the same poster never responded *first* to Mr Belve-queer. Go ahead and lie about that. The complete conversation is available for everyone to see.

My initial sentiment that started this interaction was, "Altuve isn't doing himself any favors, HOF-wise, by dissing the ASG.

HEY Ima p**sy NOW and Mr Potatohead should've just said, "Yeah, that might be true, but I think it won't matter". THAT's a respectable response. Instead, they totally disregarded the quoted sentiment, then said a bunch of illogical, deflective BS.

Stop acting like a scorned woman willing to tell any lie for supposed revenge against someone. "Stalking"... lol.. Fool please.

 

...and get bought out much to the chagrin to the existing sports writers at NYT.