What are all these former players so threaten by what Steph Curry is doing?

So could it be that Thomas was a better player than Curry those first six years? That probably explains why he played a more prominent role and played more minutes per game. He also played more games than Curry because Curry was a very fragile player. Prior to last year, very few people paid any attention to him. A 2 year sample of him shooting out of this world does not make him the GOAT and unless he all of a sudden learns to play outstanding defense and gets known for something other than his shooting ability, he never will be. Greatest shooter? Maybe if he continues on this pace for several more years. GOAT? He has a long way to go.

 

They aren't hating. They have only said exactly what his coach said, which is to note the rule changes.

 

Thomas was not a better player than Curry haha. I'm OK with making Curry prove he can maintain this level of play - but he's already much better than Thomas. Look carefully at his trajectory. He was playing at All Star level by 2012-3, at a level of efficiency that Thomas achieved for only one year in his career. And then he shattered that ceiling in 13-14, and again in 14-15, and now again in 15-16.... you know what's scary? Based on his trajectory there's nothing to say that he can't be even better in 16-17. If he does this for 3-4 more years he will be the best PG of all time - even if he never gets any better than what he's doing right now.

He's a long way from MJ still but Isiah Thomas? Please. His accomplishments and numbers have already set him apart from Thomas and if they win the title and he gets his MVP this year, Thomas is going to be a tiny speck in the rearview mirror.

He's gotta prove he's better than Magic (going to be tough, Magic was 14-15 Curry good for most of his career), Stockton (doable, even if Stockton's raw assist/steal numbers are untouchable), and Big O (probably doable).

 

The likelier explanation is poor management on Golden State's part. When they drafted Curry, they already had Monta Ellis, and Ellis was a selfish player who refused to mesh with Curry and hindered Curry's development.

Look what happened to the Warriors after Ellis was traded and Curry became the team leader.

The disparity in games played is part of the reason why using the 6 year totals for both players as part of a debate is intentionally misleading.

No one has claimed he's already the GOAT.

 

Curry and his team were a slightly above average club for two seasons post Ellis, until Draymond moved into the starters role. I believe Caesar has noted this multiple times. Since you can't rely on Curry to stop anyone, giving more time to a tremendous defender like Green, acquiring another one in Iggy and having another one develop in Klay sure was helpful to the team success you are touting, especially for a club killing everyone by throwing a small ball lineup out there that can compete with anyone defensively.

I agree with him that it's hilarious how you just overlook the seasons prior to the last two cuz of Monta Ellis. Wouldn't it be simpler to just say what really happened, which is Curry has only been this good for two seasons and his numbers trail Zeke's moreso because of his fragile ankles and not because of Monta?

 

The fact that their raw stats are that close with Curry missing nearly a season's worth of games is more of a ringing endorsement for Curry rather than a knock. Thomas' most productive seasons were early on and Curry nearly has him beat playing fewer games and in fewer minutes per game. That two year sample will include two MVP awards by age 27, so they're pretty significant and a good indicator going forward unless you think he's going to start declining next year. Considering he's been healthy for four years straight we can't even call him injury prone anymore.

And if you don't think he's the greatest shooter already I don't know what to tell you. He's broken Ray Allen's single-season record three times already and this season isn't even over. He did it on a higher percentage than Allen every season too. That's like someone in baseball hitting 90 home runs in a seasons three times while batting .400. He's got the best shooters in history beat by both percentages and volume. No one's even close.

 

Curry's stats in points (24.0) and assists (8.5) were higher in 13-14 than they were last year (23.8p/7.7a). Those are MVP-type numbers, but the team just wasn't very good then. Plus, he's just playing on a level above everyone else right now. Even Westbrook with a 24/10 season right now isn't even in the MVP discussion, despite playing godly.

 

The Warriors' success has much more to do with Curry than Green's. Green benefits more than anyone from playing alongside Curry. On pick and rolls with Curry/Green, how many open looks does Green get b/c his defender double teams Curry? How many assists does Green get from Curry's quick catch-and-shoots? Only Klay Thompson can make those kinds of shots, but since he's slower than Curry, he can't get open looks as often.

Like What said, the Jordan's Bulls didn't get past Detroit until Pippen became a star. The fact that Pippen became a star doesn't change the fact that Jordan was the engine of the team. It's the same thing with Curry/Green.

Again with this false narrative? No matter how many times you repeat it, it's not going to be true.

Yeah, it'd be simpler to say that. It'd also be wrong.

 

Yes... He would literally just shoot over them 3 feet beyond the 3 pt line. He's that great of a shooter. His shooting transcends defenses.

 

That's stupid. How is rougher defense going to stop the deadliest shooter of all time just jacking up the quickest release shot I've ever seen 3 ft beyond the line with 40 ac%+ accuracy any time he wants?

 

He's also an amazing ball handler. Why do people forget that? The dude isn't Kyle Korver. He can get the space he needs to get a good shot off(for him) pretty much any time he wants.

 

But Jordan's individual play was historically great prior to Pippen arriving, much less becoming a star. But hey, maybe I should blame his play as a Wizard on his teammates instead of his age.

 

Curry has only been "this" good for two seasons. His raw numbers were great that season but everything folks are touting now to jock him, like his efficiency and PER, weren't on this level. Let's pick a side and stay on it.

 

Curry has only been "this" good this season. His increase in PER and TS% this season over last is higher than his jump last season over 13-14. He wasn't even first in PER last year, he was third. Nor was he first in TS%, he was fourth. He leads both categories by a large margin this year. There was legitimate debate whether he was the best player in the league last year. This year there is no contest.

You're basically looking at three different type of seasons with the first being great, the second being amazing, and the third being ridiculous. In any case, what difference does this make? Dirk wasn't as hot out of the gate as Charles Barkley, but does that mean he was a worse player? He ended up better, IMO. Even if Curry is only this good for two seasons, that's two seasons Zeke could never touch and he's still only 27.

 

Is that a problem? Lol the Pistons were 1 game away from being 3 time champs every year MJ lost to the Pistons. People bring that up as if it's such a hit to his legend. Like i've said. Besides MJ's rookie year where the Bucks with Cummings, Moncreif and Pressey and good role players beat MJ and his Bulls in the first round, but lost in the semi's to Moses, Doc, Chuck, Mo. Every single team that MJ's Bulls lost to in the playoffs were either champions or lost in the Finals.

Even if one wants to argue that Pippen is the reason MJ started winning, which of course he was a big part of it, the other part being that MJ only lost to championship contenders surrounded by scrubs on his own team. If you want to argue that to say Curry is still the main reason for the Warriors dominance and not Draymond becoming a starter and developing into what he is, that is fine. The point is, pre Pip, MJ was a mega star on his own. Pre Draymond, Curry was just another all star who many saw as the greatest shooter ever. Now he's jumped from the deserved best shooter conversation to all of a sudden without question, the undisputed GOAT Overall SCORER?

 

Even one season like last or this is enough to get the people talking. Two puts you over the top of someone like Zeke, who couldn't even sniff this kind of efficiency. If he has 3 or 4 more, watch out Magic. If he can do this until he's in his mid 30's? Well, it would still be a discussion between him and MJ. But he would be in that conversation hands down. People are giving Kobe all kinds of love but Kobe was never this good. Ever.

 

You seriously believe 05-06 Kobe wouldn't be destroying the league on this Warriors team? With much greater efficiency than he had with no help? Curry wouldn't have done diddly with Smush Parker and co. lol..13 win team with Curry...Kobe dragged that team to the playoffs in the West on his own.

 

Again, you have to look at it in the proper context. When Curry was drafted, Monta Ellis was the team leader, and he played the same position as Curry. They didn't mesh, and Ellis stunted Curry's growth.

2013 was Curry's first season after Ellis was traded. This was also Draymond Green's rookie year. You've been critical of Curry because he didn't establish himself prior to Draymond Green's emergence. But in reality, he never got the chance.

 

It may have been higher but the play in general was tougher everyone can agree with this. What was the point of this reply?