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What about SAR?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sane, Jul 21, 2004.

  1. Sane

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    Well, at least I learned something new about the TE :( !
     
  2. crash5179

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    SAR is only 27 and the guy is a 20 / 9 player. I would take him in a heart beat. Personally I think he would be an awesome 3rd option. Plus he can play either forward spot. He is in his prime and will be for another 3 - 5 years. I just can't think of a decent reason for Portland to trade him to us though?
     
  3. Hard Rock

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    more realistic

    Houston trades: SF Clarence Weatherspoon
    PF Juwan Howard
    SF Eric Piatkowski
    Houston receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim

    Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim
    Portland receives: SF Clarence Weatherspoon
    PF Juwan Howard
    SF Eric Piatkowski

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    I think they'd rather have Howard to replace S.A.R. at $5mil./yr than Kittle's $10mil./yr. Spoon & Pike are 2 nice guys with contract expiring after next season. i think it makes more sense for both teams. it has to be after Sep. 1 for trading Howard though.

    i still think we can trade Taylor + a 2nd rd. pick for Daniels + Booth. or T.E. + pick for Daniels + James.

    we got a line-up of:

    Yao Ming, Booth
    Shreef, Padgett
    Jackson, Nachbar, Griffin
    McGrady, Gaines
    Daniels, Lue, Wilks
     
  4. Hard Rock

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    they were talking about a SAR for Kerry kittles trade. Kittles makes $10mil./yr (the reason the Nets wants to get rid of him) so if we offer Juwan Howard ($5~6 mil. is ressonable for him considering this summer's FA signning) plus fillers (Pike & Spoon) they might like it. especially after they sign Hassell, Kittles doesn't make any sense for them anymore and their option has been even narrowed now.
     
  5. tinman

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    Shariff and Juwan on the same team???
    Why don't we change the our names to the Houston Black Cats?
    or the Houston Stands Under Landers?
    or Houston Bill Buckners?
    or the Houston ASTROS?
     
  6. tinman

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    The shareef don't like it
    Rockin' the Casbah
    Rock the Casbah
    The shareef don't like it
    Rockin' the Casbah
    Rock the Casbah
    [​IMG]
     
  7. dharocks

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    I'm not sure you totally understand Portland's situation. Kittles' contract expires after next season, as does SAR's. That's the reason they would make the trade. The Blazers are going to be losing a lot of big contracts next summer when NVE, SAR, and Damon Stoudamire's contracts all expire. Kemp's deal comes off the books as well. Think about that; roughly $55 million.

    They're gonna want expiring contracts back if they trade Shareef.
     
  8. dandorotik

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    Yawn.
     
  9. Hard Rock

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    if that's the case they could just place SAR on the IL for 1 yr and then they'd get rid of his contract. actually I was suggesting it might be more realistic if we replace Taylor with Howard, Spoon, & Pike in the trade proposal.
    Spoon + Pike = more than $7mil. expiring contract.

    like I mentioned they might have no other options.
     
  10. Drexlerfan22

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    Uh... Spoon and Pike both have two years left, not one. Plus if they did that they'd still have Howard's contract on the books for five years. Wouldn't YOU rather have SAR? Yeah, and they would too.
     
  11. dharocks

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    They have no obligation to trade Shareef. They could just let him rot on the bench. They won't trade him from garbage with longer contracts.

    Pike and Spoon don't have expiring contracts, they expire after two more seasons. Howard's expires after another FIVE seasons.

    The Blazers do not, I repeat, do not have to trade Shareef if they don't feel they're getting a favorable deal. They already have Zach Randolph starting at the 4. They want to keep Darius Miles at the 3. They wouldn't be resigning Shareef anyway. If they trade him it won't be for long term deals like Howard's.
     
  12. Sane

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    No, they won't let him rot. If they don't trade him, there will be a buyout, I guarantee it. Then they'll end up with zero depth in the frontcourt. Literally, they'd have 2 SF's, 1 PF and 1 C.

    If they cut him, we swoop in and sign SAR up for one year because his value is low and no one will offer him a contract this year anyway, no teams left with capspace that want him.
     
  13. Deuce

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    I am sure the Blazers will end up trading him. I wouldn't be surprised if they talk with Seattle again.

    Wouldn't it be funny if the Blazers traded him back to Atlanta for a T.E.? LOL
    The Blazers would be more apt to trying to unload him to a team with cap space for a T.E. than just buy him out.
     
  14. Sane

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    True, but 13M is a gigantic TE. I don't think that's ever been done before and I think only Atlanta is capable of doing that now.

    Why would Atlanta pay SAR 13M for a year, knowing they don't want to keep him? What do they get in return? A pick in the mid-20's? That's not good enough for them I don't think so.

    Portland's positiong is getting tougher and tougher. It's one thing to say that Portland don't HAVE to do anything - but rarely have we seen a team make a player sit through a whole season being payed so much money. A team that needs depth, a team that is looking to win this coming season.

    I think the best bet for Portland is SAR for Rashard Lewis and Jerome James. That's assuming Seattle is ready to tear everything down and rebuild. Otherwise, they're screwed. We have the biggest TE in the league, I'm sure something can be worked out.

    Maybe if we could tempt Boston into exchanging Mihm and Yogi for MoT, we could then trade Mihm and MoT for SAR and take Patterson with the TE? I don't WANT to get Patterson, but it may be worth it.

    We have got to work something out to fix our cap situation - we need to get rid of one of our PF's and get a C.

    I really think we should deal with the Celtics for their expiring contracts. A startign lineup of Lafrentz/MoT/Welsch/Pierce/Atkins would be excellent for them. They're planning on becoming a high-scoring team and MoT fits that. They also have Blount and Ricky Davis on the bench.
     
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    Who said anything about us taking Booth? I said switch out James for Booth, because Seattle wants to get rid of his contract, more so that Jerome's contract. And since Seattle is giving up 2 quality players (James or Booth/Daniels) for only a TE, they would probably have a say on who they want to give up, which would probably be Booth.

    And how do we benefit from James expiring contract if he's on Portland?
     
  16. tinman

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    This Shareef guy has is eerily similar to Juwan to where he keeps getting traded though he's supposedly a good player and guy.

    This is hard to believe, but I'd rather have Juwan cause Shareef is way overpaid. Dude the HAWKS don't want him. And I think the Hawks started playing BETTER without him. Ever since the Pau replaced Shareef, The Grizz have become legit.

    He's a proven loser and no way he deserves his money. At least if you get paid that much, you need to prove you are an elite player and take your team to playoffs. Now he's demanding to be traded from Portland!
    http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/25600.htm

    We have Mo Taylor, we don't need Shareef to Rock the Casbah.

    No longer in the hunt for Kittles, the Blazers instead tendered an offer sheet to Minnesota shooting guard Trenton Hassell, who's nowhere near the offensive player Kittles is. The Wolves don't have room to match the offer.

    Abdur-Rahim's agent, Aaron Goodwin, wants his client out of Portland.

    "Portland blew an excellent opportunity and the Nets blew a chance to replace Kenyon Martin," Goodwin said. "I'd be lying to you if I said I wasn't disappointed."
     
  17. crash5179

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    SAR is only 27 and is a legit 20 / 9 player that can handle either forward spot. His teams did not fail because of him, he has had bad luck with teams. I would love to have him on the Rockets with T-Mac and Yao.
     
  18. tinman

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    Yeah right, this dude has some baggage.
    He wants to punk out of Portland after one year? what the hell is that? Also he's a 6-9 PF. Why do we need another 6-9 PF!!!

    Also he's not a roll player, he wants to be a primary player. Which ain't going to happen with Yao and Tmac.

    We need ROLE PLAYER who plays D at PF, we already have Howard and Taylor.

    We need better roll players. Look how good Detroit is and look how great the Rockets roll players were back in the day. I'd take Stomile Swift over this dude.

    You guys are so obsessed with players with good stats on crap teams.
     
  19. ROXTXIA

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    I'd love to have Shareef Abdur-Rahim on the Rockets, but any trade for him would have to be, er, creative at best, and likely involve a 3rd team. Portland wouldn't do it unless they got equal value somehow, because they probably see the Rockets as slightly better but able to be overtaken in the standings, with the right moves.

    Seems JVG would prefer a bruising PF anyway. And we don't want to trade away assets that could net us a backup center (some of you are mentioning Seattle's overpaid backups, so we might get hooked up with one of them, who knows?)

    Part of the reason, I believe, that nothing has happened on our front (pg, center) is that Howard or Lue could be involved in the next deal. So that would be another month away.

    And I would find Chicago, Seattle, Cleveland, teams like that, as potential trading partners. Portland? Got my doubts.
     
  20. tinman

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    We can use a PG who can shoot. Minni Mouse?
     

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