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Westbrook vs Harden

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by heypartner, Oct 30, 2012.

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  1. Koperboy

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    Wouldn't then Durant be the only scoring option on his team? Actually the only "good" scoring option? You have K-Mart, but Durant would always be double-teamed. In last year's playoff, some teams put in a tremendous offert to not let the ball be put into Durant's hands at all, and the strategy payed off. Not entirely, but you get my point.
     
  2. vlaurelio

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    fify.
     
  3. BeeBeard

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    The anti-Westbrook criticisms seem very conventional. Very two years ago. Especially since Westbrook has been playing with higher efficiency this season than all but Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo.

    He has made surprising progress this year, to be honest. Like most people, I also assumed that the player Westbrook was two years ago was his ceiling. It's not. Not by a longshot.
     
  4. sammy

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    30/83 in his last 5 games. Uber efficient.
     
  5. BigBenito

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    So on 52 shots he picked up 62 points to go along with 33 assists with only 7 turnovers and 8 steals in those 3 games as well?

    Good job, good effort, sammy. :rolleyes:
     
  6. BigBenito

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    Video for double post.
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/3nd6sU7DwXc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Since you edited to 5 games:

    Westbrook
    97 points on 83 shots
    48 assists with only 11 turnovers
    10 steals
    22 rebounds

    Sure, his shooting efficiency is down... but, free throws and 3 pointers matter, and what has been thrown against him time and time again has been a strength (assists and turnovers).

    Furthermore he was comparing him to Paul and Rondo and said he was still under them, lets look at their last 5 starts, since you think Westbrook has been so terrible over the same stretch.

    Paul
    71 points on 59 shots
    46 assists with only 7 turnovers
    10 steals
    21 rebounds

    Rondo
    83 points on 63 shots
    53 assists with 26 turnovers
    9 steals
    24 rebounds

    But go ahead and just look at shooting efficiency. Enjoy having Kidd as your point guard.
     
  7. BeeBeard

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    Are people seriously unaware that efficiency stats incorporate things like points and free throws and rebounds and assists and steals and blocks, and in other words far more than just field goals made divided by field goals attempted?

    No? Nobody realizes that? Okay, just checking. Carry on thread.
     
  8. sammy

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    Thank you.

    I'm not trying to compare him to other point guards.

    I merely wanted to point out that he's a high volume shooter and still shooting at a mediocre clip. That doesn't make him efficient like you proclaimed. He also has an amazing supporting cast. They will not win a championship if he continues to shoot around a 40% clip while taking nearly 20 shots per game.
     
  9. BeeBeard

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    You might wanna check your sarcasm meter.
     
  11. JayZ750

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    This thread won't matter until the WCF or Finals. That's the hump Westbrook has to get over. When he can't get the ball to Durant, or in the 4th, of HUGE playoff games, what will his decision making be like.

    I've been and continue to be a Harden>Westbrook guy, if only for the fact that I think it's a more important position to be dominant at... IMO.

    BUT, if Westbrook can consistently make the right decisions, whether he's hitting his jumpers or not, then no doubt he can be a top 1-2 PG in the league for the next half decade.
     
  12. BeeBeard

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    More like you should, since you're thanking people when they sarcastically compliment you for being reductive and not understanding what player efficiency means.
     
  13. sammy

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    Umm okay.. quit with the silly arguing. SMH.

    Westbrook's ts% is 51%. There are many, many point guards with a better ts%.
     
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    Board not letting me make a thread right now, so ima post this here
    James Harden and others singing "Oh what fun it's to play a game on Xmas day!"
    http://youtu.be/Q9BcyEdpoQA
     
  15. leebigez

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    In real gametime situations, no one cares about ts%. Its about making shots under stress in real time. Harden hasn't been as effecient as he was coming off the bench,but his role is bigger along with the defensive focus. By the end of the yr, westbrook will be around 45% as usual.
     
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    So will Harden.:grin:
     
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    the big difference between Harden and Westbrook, is that Westbrook seems to prefer to pull up for a jumper, whereas Harden loves goto the line. I take Harden, he's pretty unguardable these days.
     
  18. sammy

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    There goes that über-efficient Westbrook at it again. 9/28, 30 points on 28 shots.
     
  19. rolyat93

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    40.5% on the year.:grin:
     
  20. jayhow92

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    Almost had a quadruple double in pts, assist, rebounds, and TOs
     

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