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Westbrook and Harden have expressed concern...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Htown Legend, Nov 11, 2020.

  1. saleem

    saleem Contributing Member

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    KG and PP were done. KG couldn’t even run anymore. Westbrook still gave us 27 points a game. I know he is inefficient most of the time.
     
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    It's not ALL Morey's fault and/or MDA's fault. They do deserve some of the blame though. Ultra small ball was never really going to work. It was a pipe dream to begin with, and while that may have given the team the best chance they were going to have, it was likely to end just as it did.

    The blame falls on Westbrook and Harden too. They (especially Westbrook) have to play better in the playoffs.

    I don't think it would have made any sense to run it back again with MDA. Fair or not, his coaching history has always peaked where we were in 2018 and 2019. I respect MDA, and I loved him here, but it was time to move on.

    With Morey, I am sad to see him go, and I get why he did it, but things don't have to be doom and gloom. Yes, he was fantastic, he went for it all, he kept us competitive, he stole James Harden, he was never afraid to take risks, but he's gone, and to suggest that nobody can be successful in his former role here... I just can't agree. I think we should give Stone a chance before writing him off.

    Now, 2 things can be true. While it may have been mutual beneficially for the Rockets and both Morey/Dantoni to part ways, that doesn't necessarily mean the Rockets (specifically Tilman) did it for the right reasons. Tilman is definitely a concern, and while he claims his businesses are silos, I just don't buy that. His struggles with casinos and "rest-rents" due to COVID may very well affect the way he conducts business with the Rockets. You could argue that it already has.
     
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  4. HP3

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    I expect Russ and Harden to be gone before the trade deadline.
     
  5. jdiggidy

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    Well damn, if they are both unsure I stand by my goofy trade for Beal and Barrett!
     
  6. krmclaughlin

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    The Nets trading their future for the Celtics' aging stars comes to mind. But the Nets weren't contenders to begin with. Us on the other hand....
     
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    I don’t think either of them are going anywhere although a Westbrook trade could be a possibility but I think they are just adding pressure for the FO to do something. I think Silas will surprise a lot of people
     
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  8. YOLO

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    for the millionth time small ball was only in place because westbrick was that bad of a fit. and many of us said that from day 1. how people still don't get that is beyond me. Harden has been here for nearly a decade and if someone can't understand how lineups with him, having 2 nonshooters next to him are absolutely miserable, you just haven't been paying attention. either that, or you just don't understand basketball. putting that completely on mda/morey is complete nonsense. They had to work with the terrible piece they were forced to handle and tried to maximize all they could out of a incredibly flawed player like westbrick. Neither of them wanted him in the first place

    It would make plenty of sense to run it back with mda. Give him a team that actually fits and he has proven to be able to take a team far. Give him a mess like this year which was a horrible fit from day 1 or the year before which had 0 depth, you'll get the sub results. And it's amazing how you can go from a 65 win team to this shitshow in a mere span of 2 years. Look how year 3 has started. yeah it doesn't make sense now because he was smart enough to get the hell out of town.

    Tilman is a dumbass and the worst possible owner for the rockets. Anyone who doesn't get that by now is just purely in denial and that more naive

    Facts
     
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  9. krmclaughlin

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    The Tunsil trade is looking just as disasterous.

    But man, I loved Hop. That trade was the moment when I couldn't stomach being a Texans fan anymore.
     
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    That one was worse. I can see the blessing in disguise with having traded for Westbrook if within a year it means he's gone again, Harden is gone and we have a new coach and one of the best ones out there in Silas.
     
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    Laughable at this point.

    Has there ever been a team in History where BOTH the head coach and the GM outright QUIT an organization in the same off season.

    Don't know for sure, but fairly certain It just doesn't happen. Resignations are extremely rare, the fact that two of them happened in the same offseason is a huge clue to just how trash this ownership group is.

    **** TIlman, **** his stupid family, **** his dumbass son, and **** his stupid book.
     
  12. Vivi

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    I love your idea, but i doubt the Knicks would give up that much for Westbrook (even considering Knox sucks so far). And still, i don't know what Harden really thinks, we can always hope i guess, but i wouldn't hold my breath.
     
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  13. YOLO

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    yeah the westbrick trade was worse. The rockets went from 65 win true contender to immediate pretenders. and now on the edge of a full rebuild in year 3. You had harden in his absolute mvp prime at <30 years old and broke up the best backcourt in the league by far both in terms of fit and talent. the nets were just trying to go for it all after being just bad
     
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  14. krmclaughlin

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    Kevin O'Connor was on the ringer podcast saying that the Knicks and Clippers were interested in Westbrook. Hopefully we're all over that fielding offers.

    The only possible drawback: would Harden accept playing here if Russ gets traded?
     
  15. J Sizzle

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    Right, that's not what I meant. It all comes back to Tilman at the end of the day. But Harden/Westbrook are not blameless.
     
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    Counterpoint: Why does it matter what Harden wants?
     
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  17. krmclaughlin

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    Are you saying that it would be a good thing for Harden to be gone? I have to disagree with you there.
     
  18. YOLO

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    at this point it doesn't matter. he's 31. if he doesn't want to play here without Russ, then bye. Rockets aren't ever going to win with harden/westbrick.
     
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  19. DreamShook

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    I have a lot of faith in Silas for some reason. Silas is going to make Russ and Jim MVP's again.
     
  20. krmclaughlin

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    Because he's our best player and a perennial MVP candidate. Not to mention that if he demands a trade, his value would plummet and we'd have to trade him for cents on the dollar.
     
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