West Virginia democratic primary contest May 13th: Results thread

True, but West Virginia has been crucial to every Democrat who's won the Presidency for nearly a century.

 

I don't feel sorry for them, but there are a lot of those folks out there, bewildered about where Bush and company have taken their party, and unhappy with who their nominee is, so you have a good point.

Indeed. And it is a good thing that Obama has a lead that alien intervention would be required to beat, because he has been out-campaigned the last two months. If Clinton had found her voice back when she was running on who was "most qualified to be Commander in Chief," the race would be far different today. Putting aside the bits and pieces of the kitchen sink thrown at Obama, if she had run on the message she's hammering home now so effectively, Barack would be, in my opinion, in serious trouble. In serious trouble because she is running today as a populist that cares about average Americans and simply doing so better than Obama is. Much better.

It would be easy for Barack's supporters to dismiss this as the result of racism, but in my opinion, that is a big mistake. The reason Hillary has been polling much better than she was is her connection with "the people." She has found her voice and found her message, and I think she is hammering it home with a skill and effectiveness I didn't think she had in her. Finally, too late, she has caught on to what Bill did so brilliantly when he was running in '92 and '96. Connecting with what is troubling people in their gut. Not that her opponent is Black, but that a huge number of folks think they are being left behind. That they are not having their problems and issues addressed.

It's not that Barack won't address those problems and issues, or that he doesn't understand them, it is that she has connected with the lower middle class and working class in a way Barack hasn't... yet. Hillary is finally comfortable campaigning and hitting home with her populist message, again and again, from stump to stump.

Again... dismiss her resurgence as the result of an "appeal to the baser instincts of racism" and you are missing what is really working for Hillary Clinton. Yes, working too late for her, but making sure, unintentionally, that Barack Obama gets that message himself. And that's a good thing about her continuing the race. Here's another. By forcing Barack to fight for these states, he's going to have an organization in place for the general election that wouldn't have been there, otherwise, and that was already there for the Clintons. People on the ground ready to work for him and, if Hillary's people join with his, an organization John McCain doesn't have.

Something to think about. Barack's supporters would be foolish to toss the West Virginia results in the dumpster because it is a small state and they believe Barack lost because of racism. Al Gore would be President today if he had carried West Virginia. Bill Clinton carried it twice. It is a swing state and Obama needs to get every one of those he can manage. Don't be so quick to blow it off. The state matters.



Impeach Bush. Sentence Him to Community Service.

In West Virginia.

 

I find it ironic that they talk about white guilt. what guilt do they have always trying to prove black racism and they can't admit white racism, even in the thread about the racism some of the obama supporters are experiencing.

 

Bush winning WVa in 2004 was a huge reason he won. It could be argued it was the reason he won.

 

No it hasn't - it's been won by every Democrat who's won the Presidency, but it wasn't crucial to them. In 1992, Bill Clinton won 370 electoral votes - West Virginia's 5 were not particularly crucial either way. Same in 1996. And 1976. And 1964. And 1960. And 1948. 1944. 1940. 1936. 1932. etc You could give West Virginia to the GOP any of those Democratic years and it wouldn't have changed the election results.

West Virginia has just trended Democratic in the past, so Democrats have won it when they won the Presidency. Obama (and McCain) appeal to non-traditional constitutencies, so the states they focus on and build an electoral map around will be different than in the past.

 

If you flipped WV, Bush still would have won.

 

Texx and TJ, why don't you guys just talk about this over the breakfast table at your mom's house?

DD

 

I'll have to wait to give rationale for my previous statement. It's from the book Bush's Brain, but I cannot recall the details. If I remember, I'll update this thread this evening...

 

Finally you just came out and said it.



DD

 

Uh oh, I bet you are getting reported. Teacher!!!

 

A nice 40 point loss there for Obama -- I guess a lot of voters aren't convinced he's their man.

What if Super Tuesday had happened AFTER the Jeremiah Wright scandal broke? Obama wouldn't even be in the race, imo. This issue is why the superdelegates MUST do their job and elect Hillary. They must. Hillary wins the General if it were to occur today. Obama does not win. It's that simple. After McGovern's debacle in '68, when the dem primary produced an uber liberal candidate with no General election appeal, the dems instituted the superdelegate system. They did this for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of ensuring that their left-wing faction doesn't nominate someone out of the mainstream who gets blown the F out in the General. So the superdelegates are there TO OVERTURN the situation if necessary. Is it necessary? You betcha. The Wright scandal changed the game. It rendered Obama unelectable. So it's foolish to say that people will riot, etc, if the supers do their job.

An overwhelming majority of the democratic voters want this race to continue. Sounds like they aren't sold on Obama. I know independents aren't.

 

Currently in a tie with Sportsmanship by Jerry Sloan for the shortest book ever.

 

What? I just quoted a portion of his post.



LOL

DD

 

Deck I just wanted to point out that Obama, from the beginning of his campaign, has made an effort to establish a ground game in all 50 states. Not just blue and not just states that have traditionally gone democrat. So I'm not real clear on your point of Hillary forcing him to fight in all 50 states. In fact, Obama has just launched a major 50 state voter registration drive that could possibly open up more places where Democrats have traditionally not faired well and will force Republicans to defend districts that they would normally take for granted.

 

OMG. HAHAHAAHAAHAAAA .

Excellent post. Excellent.

 

You are so full of ****. Repubs are shaking in their boots because of Obama. Everyone knows he is going to beat McCain and that's why you want Hillary to win sooooo bad. It is way to easy to turn Hillary into a polarizing figure. That is the ONLY reason why you care because you know that Hillary is the only (unlikely) shot the Repubs have.

 

I didn't recall that happening in West Virginia, so good show old man. I made a mistake. Unlike you, I am man enough to admit it rather than disappearing with a puff of smoke like you do every time I (or hundreds of others) have exposed the made up crap you purposely post. I guess the score is now T_J - 1, Mulder - Eleventy-Billion.

Congrats on not making it a complete skunk.

 

May 14, 2008, 8:39AM

A new Quinnipiac national poll shows the two Democrats winning against John McCain by similar margins -- a potential stumbling block for Hillary Clinton's argument that she's the more electable candidate in the wake of her huge West Virginia win:

Obama (D) 47%, McCain (R) 40%
Clinton (D) 46%, McCain (R) 41%

Sample size: 1,745 registered voters.
Margin of error: ±2.4%


Jorge aren't you embarrassed to always be so wrong?

 

I guess when you can't respond with analysis, you are reduced to this. Dems, police your own please.

I do not believe Obama can win in the General because of his ultra liberal policy stances and Jeremiah Wright. Remember, he has yet to see ANY attacks. The pillow fight that he and Hillaroid have engaged in has been amusing, but nothing like the brutality that Barakakis can expect from the passionate Republicans. He'll have to take up smoking again when he returns to the Senate next year.