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Were Dream's teammates the reason he won 2 championships?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Jun 4, 2006.

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Why did we win 2 (internal reasons)?

  1. Yes: His teammates were great players that understood how to win as a team

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  2. No: Its was just Dream who single handedly won 2 for the Rockets

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    32.4%
  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    I believe in your points. Someone else in another thread claims that the championship teams were a 1 man team.

    I believe after all these years, you can look back at that dream had great teammates and he could have not won ANY championships with a bunch of scrubs on his team.
     
  2. boomer83

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    You didnt even read my post.

    Did I say he won the championships by himself?
    He had good teammates, but Hakeem was a BIG reason we won those championships.
    He was the "go-to guy" or "the man" on the team.

    And history speaks for itself. What happened when Hakeem was injured, what was our team record like?
     
  3. dream2franchise

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    I liken Dream's team-mates to Dirks and Nash's. High Quality role players who shot the ball well, played thier part and let their superstar do his thing. Not scrubs by any means, not even all stars, just high quality role players.
     
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    Dream + The Rudy'o the day = Two Rings. The p/o's were unattainable w/o Dream. Look at the year before and the year before that.

    Then look at the post-B2B years.

    Dream. Was. The. Man.
     
  5. codell

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    A superstar can only go so far without a good supporting cast, and a supporting cast is only as good as their supertar makes them.

    Its like the chicken and the egg theory .......
     
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    Been my stance for the longest time. Which is why i never use team success to compare players.
     
  7. CreepyFloyd

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    definitely a team effort...15-0 baby...we should've known then
     
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    Couldn't have said it better.

    Tinman- Could have Hakeem won the championships w/ a different supporting cast? Probably. Could Cassell, Horry, Maxwell, and Smith won the championships w/o Hakeem? Didn't think so.
     
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    The options are bad. One choice is Dream only, the other Dream's teammates only. How about one for Dream and his teammates? Which is obviously the correct answer.

    However, given the current choice, I had to go with Dream. Dream probably could have won a championship with a different team. His teammates couldn't have won a championship without him though. In fact, I can't think of another player in the NBA during that period that could have replaced Dream on that team and still lead them to a championship - Jordan included.
     
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  10. tinman

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    Hakeem didnt win it with Scottie Pippen, Buck Johnson, Dave Jamerson, Matt Maloney, Vince Carter, Steve Francis

    Yes, place Cassell, Horry Maxwell and Smith with Karl Malone/Stockton or with Michael Jordan or with Barkley (phoenix).
    Yes. they would win. they would win handilly.

    The supporting cast proved they were great with other teams.
     
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    How old was Hakeem when he had Vince Carter, Steve Francis (a rookie)? 37? 38?

    A 40 years old Michael Jordan wouldn't win it all even with Shaq on his team either.
     
  12. tinman

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    how old is horry? he won it last year.
    he won it without dream.
    he won it 5 more times without dream

    dream brought his teammates to join him for his MVP trophy.
    he said he 'couldnt have won it without them'.

    do you remember the dream that didnt pass out of triple teams? i did.
     
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    Tinman, your argument really does not make sense.

    You sure dont seem to take a lot into consideration into arguing. Horry has had a knack for hitting the big shot, but do you believe he honestly would have won those championships being the man, or without the superstars he had? That is just one example. I mean OT could have been the man when he first got traded for Drexler. What happened? What happened to Vernon? Horry is the exception to the rule, he has always been in the right place at the right time, and he won 4 more not 5.

    Do you remember what happened to the team when Dream was injured?

    And when ten people to your one is telling you that Dream was the reason for the championships, (I'm not saying a one man team), chances are that you are wrong.

    Do you not remember the early '80's we draft Dream, and in 86, in his second year he takes us too the finals. Dream pushed an all-star center out of his natural position, a dynasty lakers team had one major concern, on a team full of talented players, all capable of going off, they were concerned with stopping "Akeem". That is how good he was.

    My point is you put Dream with a good supporting cast and he would have won. I dont think it would have worked the other way around.
     
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    in what thread were people claiming that the championship teams were a 1 man team?
     
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    Dream is awesome. But I think the supporting casts is being singled out as the 'weakness' by 'others'. I think the supporting casts of the 80s pistons, the 90s bulls got more props then that of the Rockets.. They werent better than the Rockets cast.

    I remember Akeem. And I remember having a big temper and having foul problems. I remember Ralph playing his heart out with Dream and taking out the Lakers.

    Dream is 'big shot dream'. Bird/Magic/Larry are mentioned together without dream because Dream isnt the big shot guy. That's why the supporting cast is so important.

    Without Maxwell and Sam, Dream wouldnt have won a championship. He wouldnt have won it with Rod Strickland or Wesley Person etc.

    Dream was the leader on the court, but he wasnt the absolute leader.
    The Rockets had many leaders in Mario, Sam, Vernon, Kenny and even Otis.

    Dream is the best center of all time, but he wouldnt have done with his excellent cast. a cast that should be up there with the Showtime Magic and Bird's Celtics.
     
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    i fully agree, especially with the last 2 sentences
     
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    This poll is childish and silly. Name one player who single handedly won a championship for his team in the history of basketball (not only in the NBA).
     
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    this is what people say when they reference the rockets championships
    they say its just dream plus some players
    yet when they talk about the lakers, pistons etc
    they say, oh they also had dennis rodman or worthy etc
    instead of saying oh they also had cassell or horry etc
     

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