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Well John?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, May 1, 2008.

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  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    ^^^ I have fallen short in the eyes of Obama.

    Here's McCain's spanish version of his website.

    http://www.johnmccain.com/espanol/

    Wait? Didn't John vote to make English the official language of America a few years ago?

    Happy Cinco de Mayo!
     
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    Cinco de Mayo should be celebrated in Mexico, and the Fourth of July should be celebrated in the United States ... not vice versa or interchangeably.

    English should be the official language of the United States. Being bi-lingual is nice but English should be required for doing business of any kind. I'm Hispanic, but I can't speak Spanish. I'm sure there are French descendants from Louisiana who can't speak French. Increasingly there are American Jews who can't speak Hebrew and American Muslims who can't speak Farsi or Urdu.

    English is the prevailing language and should be legislated as such.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    The difference is that Jeremiah Wright is not running for president and the man who is running has denounced those statements.
     
  4. mc mark

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    McCain Poised to Flip on GOP Abortion Platform

    In '00 and '07, McCain Called for Exceptions in GOP's Platform on Abortion for Rape, Incest, Mother's Life

    Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., faces enormous pressure from social conservatives to ignore his repeated commitment to change the GOP's platform on abortion.

    "If he were to change the party platform," to account for exceptions such as rape, incest or risk to the mother's life, "I think that would be political suicide," said Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, to ABC News. "I think he would be aborting his own campaign because that is such a critical issue to so many Republican voters and the Republican brand is already in trouble."

    A senior Republican close to McCain told ABC News that building a more inclusive GOP is a top priority for the Arizona senator.

    But this adviser does not see changing the party platform to include exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother as necessary for achieving that vision.

    The problem for McCain, however, is that he excoriated then-Gov. George W. Bush during a 2000 debate for not being willing to make this change to the platform, and Democrats are salivating at the prospect of arguing, in the words of one strategist, "that another four years of Bush begins with another four years of Bush's platform."

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=4824779
     
  5. Mulder

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    Note to John McCain:

    I am not your f**king "friend". So the next time you start a sentence with "My friends..." I am going to assume you are not speaking to me and change the channel.
     
  6. mc mark

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    right!?!?!?

    I'm being lazy

    Can some one come up with a list of issues McCain has changed his mind about to run for president?

    -- We can start with not voting for Bush in 2000 and then lying that he did.
     
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    Another "Well John?" moment:

    "After John McCain nailed down the Republican nomination in March, his campaign began wrestling with a sensitive personnel issue: who would manage this summer's GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn.? The campaign recently tapped Doug Goodyear for the job, a veteran operative and Arizonan who was chosen for his "management experience and expertise," according to McCain press secretary Jill Hazelbaker. But some allies worry that Goodyear's selection could fuel perceptions that McCain—who has portrayed himself as a crusader against special interests—is surrounded by lobbyists. Goodyear is CEO of DCI Group, a consulting firm that earned $3 million last year lobbying for ExxonMobil, General Motors and other clients.

    Potentially more problematic: the firm was paid $348,000 in 2002 to represent Burma's military junta, which had been strongly condemned by the State Department for its human-rights record and remains in power today. Justice Department lobbying records show DCI pushed to "begin a dialogue of political reconciliation" with the regime. It also led a PR campaign to burnish the junta's image, drafting releases praising Burma's efforts to curb the drug trade and denouncing "falsehoods" by the Bush administration that the regime engaged in rape and other abuses."

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/136321

    So is McCain going to distance himself from a lobbyist who supported Burma's military junta?
     
  8. mc mark

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    Sorry 00,

    Seems lapel pins and preachers are more important...
     
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    The Cinco de Mayo celebrated here seems like just another excuse to get plastered on a weekday (sometimes) with the exception that no one has to wear green.
     
  10. mc mark

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    Seems Mr. Straight Talkin has been exploiting a loophole in his own campaign finance bill.

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    the whole story

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    McCain Frequently Used Wife’s Jet for Little Cost

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/us/politics/27plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
     
  11. Franchise2001

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    LOL... Can't wait for the moment he calls Obama an elitist. It sure worked out for Hillary... ;)
     
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    While you're at it, compile a list of things that Joe Lieberman changed his stance on in order to be Gore's running mate.

    All politicians flip flop with the tea leaves in order to obtain power. This isn't exactly new.
     
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    Very true! very true!

    But I don't seem to recall one who's premised his whole campaign on "straight talkin" when it is abundantly clear that's the last thing he's doing.
     
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    They may not call it straight talking, they may call it understanding the needs of the people or "yes we can." The fact is that all politicians are completely full of crap...even saint Obama.
     
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    I think that is a very cynical outlook and an example of the change in government Obama seeks to bring to Washington. I'm willing to give him that chance. Apparently so are millions of people that have been disillusioned by government and why Obama has been able to bring so many new people to the process (or bring people back to the process). To reclaim the idea that government is for the people, by the people.

    It's been a long time since we've seen that possibility in America. And something to be excited about.
     
  17. Invisible Fan

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    Ditto, mc mark.

    Public apathy in American politics is reinforcing and emboldening pettiness and corruption in Washington. There might be a lot of pissed off people if Obama fails, but at least they'll feel responsibility for it instead of dismissing the failure as typical of politicians.
     
  18. Refman

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    I think it is a very realistic outlook.

    You wanna buy a case of this snake oil while we're at it?

    Millions of people purchased a Thighmaster too...what's your point?

    Yeah...I'm just so overjoyed at the prospect of big government dipping even further into my wallet at a time when I really cannot afford it.
     
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    More on McCain's Lobby problems.

    A Fifth Top Aide To McCain Resigns

    Finance Co-Chairman's Lobbying Ties Are Cited

    Tom Loeffler, the national finance co-chairman for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, resigned yesterday because of his lobbying ties, a campaign adviser said.

    He is the fifth person to sever ties with the campaign amid a growing concern over whether lobbyists have too great an influence over the Republican nominee. Last week, campaign manager Rick Davis issued a new policy that requires all campaign personnel to either resign or sever ties with lobbying firms or outside political groups.

    "The campaign over the last week or so obviously had a perception problem with regards with this whole business of lobbyists and their work," spokesman Brian Rogers said. "This is really all about setting a policy so that we can just get through that perception problem and the issues that come up with regards to lobbyists affiliated with the campaign and move on."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/18/AR2008051802212.html
     
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    Lobbyists: This is our thanks?

    By JEANNE CUMMINGS | 5/21/08 4:29 AM EST Text Size:

    More than a few Republican lobbyists in Washington are scratching their heads these days, asking: So this is the thanks we get?

    It was a small band of loyal lobbyists who stood by presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain last August when his campaign went broke and his White House aspirations seemed doomed.

    They raised money for him under impossible odds and kept him company in budget hotels during his darkest days.

    Now they are under siege as McCain purges active lobbyists from his campaign team in a quest to wrest the reformist title from Democrat Barack Obama, his likely opponent in this fall’s general election.

    The dramatic turnabout among these once-embattled allies may be long forgotten by Republicans — and the voters — come November. But for now, it seems a modern-day case study of Harry S. Truman’s famous truism: “If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.”

    Five lobbyists have been shown the door of McCain’s Virginia campaign headquarters in the past week, including Tom Loeffler, who is largely credited with keeping the senator’s primary campaign financially afloat long enough to capture the Republican presidential nomination.

    “If it was OK to have these people working for you in February, why is it not OK today?” asked one Republican lobbyist who counts a friend among the new McCain outcast class.

    The timing, motivation and even the details of the policy itself all are the subject of debates and consternation this week at water coolers, in restaurants and on conference calls on K Street.

    “McCain’s self-righteous [expletive] has caught up with him. Now he’s got himself in a jam,” said another Republican lobbyist who asked to remain anonymous because he is a campaign volunteer. “He’s got to change the subject back to economic growth and taxation and the war on terror.”

    And there’s this thought from another McCain supporter: “I find it a little offensive. It was good enough to get my $2,300 donation. If we’re not good enough, then send my check back. It pisses me off.”

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10497.html
     

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