basso, this is really getting sad. You know damn well why Democrats voted the way they did. It was a pure political ploy by the Republicans, designed to create a phoney vote to use in their desperate attempt to sway American voters, who have this garbage figured out. It has nothing to do with reality, and everything to do with continuing the lies they've been fostering on the public. I guess I'm past being disappointed in you. Be sure to check the GOP playbook of lying to the American people today... you wouldn't want to miss their latest bull ****. Keep D&D Civil.
"Getting" sad? This is what basso does. He knows it was a bogus political ploy, he knows his posts in this thread are intellectually dishonest. He doesn't care. This is what he does.
i'm open mided about many things, just not about the policizing national security, and please, save me the rant about republican "fear" tactics. if the democrats truly had faith in their convictions, they would've voted their (supposed) conscience. and the america people are smarter than you think they are.
you disagree? we shouldn't show resolve? the first responders didn't show resolve? i don't understand your objection.
The resolution required them to either vote against winning the war on terror or in support of Bush's policies. Neither option would have represented voting their convictions. It was a scam, it was intended only to trap D's so that political campaign commercials could either say X Dem voted against fighting terrorists or X Dem voted to support Bush's policies. It was a scam and you know it. And you know that we know you know it, so I really don't get your point in posting any of this. What's hilarious is that you claim to be against politicizing nat'l security while crowing joyfully about as blatant an example of same imaginable. Deckard: I remember basso being a thoughtful poster. It was years ago. I don't really think it has anything to do with being open-minded. It has to do with intellectual honesty. He no longer has any and hasn't for well over a year.
Oh, I so agree with the first part of your post, Batman, but years or not, I still miss the old basso. Keep D&D Civil.
[side bar] Bush has said repeatadly that the US would leave Iraq if the Iraqi governemnt asks them too. Well it seems that Bush was asked to consider a date of withdrawl during his little midnight run to Baghdad. ---------------- Bush Claimed Iraqis Oppose Timetable the Day After Iraq’s VP Personally Asked Him for One After Bush returned from his trip to Iraq this week, President Bush attacked those calling for a timetable for withdrawal. He said Iraqis had “concerns” that a timetable would disrupt their strategy to create a secure and democratic Iraq: Today, the AP reports that Iraq’s Vice President, Tariq al-Hashimi, personally asked President Bush to set a timeline for withdrawal of U.S. forces the day before. Iraq’s President, Jalal Talabani, said he supported the request: http://www.thinkprogress.org/
you guys are really hysterical- for the past 5 years you've made every attempt possible to portray policy differences as crimal behavior, have spent the past three flogging a the plame kerfuffle, trying to turn it into watergate, and attempted to portray the iraq war as another vietnam. in each case, your attempts to delegitimize the president have failed, and now, with Zarqawi dead, the economy roaring along, rove cleared, and your dreams of a repeat of 1994 disappearing in the california 50th, you wax nostalgic for the good old days of thoughtful debate. get over yourselves. try concentrating on offering a compelling vision to the country, rather than portraying your country and it's government as criminals, and then you might find a way to win an election. but i won't hold my breath.
Bwahahaha. Frustration is boiling over. In your self-admitted role as BBS spin doctor you have to be more subtle, as part of your vital efforts to furthe rthe CAUSE. Your section leaders will be very disappointed.
How's this for a start? ------------------ For the First Time, Progressives Develop National Ballot Initiative Strategy “For more than two decades,” conservatives “have used ballot initiatives to create wedge issues and whip up excitement among core voters,” while progressives “remained largely on the defensive.” 2006 is different. For the first time, progressives have a coordinated national ballot initiative strategy, focusing on our priorities like the minimum wage, renewable energy, stem cell research, and privacy. (Of course, we’ll also be working to defeat several conservative measures.) In the coming months, ThinkProgress will focus on ballot initiatives across the country. Here’s a taste: ISSUE: Minimum Wage Increase DETAILS Several states will decide whether to increase their state minimum wage above the federal minimum, which has been stuck at $5.15 an hour since 1997. STATE Arizona California Colorado Missouri Montana Nevada Oklahoma Ohio ISSUE: Clean Alternative Energy DETAILS The Clean Alternative Energy Initiative would “impose a wellhead tax on oil companies operating in California” to finance $4 billion towards alternative-fuel vehicles and renewable energy and conservation research. STATE California ISSUE: Stem Cell Research DETAILS The initiative “would specifically allow any stem cell research permitted under federal law. It also would prohibit human cloning, defined as implanting a cloned embryo in a woman.” STATE Missouri ISSUE: Overturning Abortion Ban DETAILS The initiative would overturn the near-total abortion ban passed recently by South Dakota’s legislature, which included no exceptions for incest or rape. STATE South Dakota ISSUE: Gay Marriage DETAILS “Most states that will vote on anti-gay marriage measures will see the harshest possible versions of the amendment on the ballot. These strict laws punish many more people than gays and lesbians, outlawing not only gay marriage and civil unions, but all domestic partner benefits.” STATE Alabama Arizona Colorado Idaho Massachusetts South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Virginia Wisconsin ISSUE: TABOR DETAILS TABOR, a.k.a. the Taxpayers’ Bill of Rights, is an “anti-tax” initiative backed by right-wing activist Grover Norquist. It artificially limits revenue and spending for all public services, no matter how great the need, by restricting revenue growth “to a highly restrictive formula: inflation plus the annual change in population.” STATE Maine Oklahoma Ohio http://www.thinkprogress.org/
several of these are anti-initiatives, and they're all local/state issues at that- where's the nation democratic vision thing? and although i fully support gay marriage, i agree that domestic partner laws should be phased out if homosexuals are allowed to marry. the inability of G&Ls to wed was the main rationale for those laws in the first place.
That's the problem Basso, the Dems do not have a national vision. Much of what comes out of most Dems mouths isn't that much different then the Republicans. Many Dems feed from the same corporate fund troughs as the Republicans, or you have Dems that are flip floppers like Kerry. The realitly is that a majority of Americans support politicians who are either Republican or Right-leaning Dems, or there to lazy to even cast a vote. I myself feel that both parties at this point aren't representing my views. Maybe that makes me a radical, but I am very dissappointed in the choices given to me in our current political format.
