[Webpronews & ESPN] Jeremy Lin May Not Re-Sign with the New York Knicks

He won't avg 5 boards. I'll peg him for 15 & 6.

 

I think your still using the small sample size of the numbers he produced during the streak. The reason I put Lowry, Lawson, Dragic and Conley ahead of him is because all those guys are better defenders and ball-handlers. Lin has good vision but he makes a lot of mistake. 8+ assits is terrible if your averaging 4+ turnovers. His defense was also exposed as terrible once teams started game planning for him. He is absolutely lost in a pick and roll, that game against the Celtics Rondo dropped 20 dimes on him. Of those 40 points a good 30 of those were Rondo picking him apart on rotations.

Every single one of those guys I listed has averaged better numbers over a longer stretch.

 

Average pg may not sign with average team. 5 star thread.

 

It seems more ppl are vastly underrating Lin here again. Most of what Plutoblue is saying is true. Kyrie and Lin are good players but they're different kinds of players.

 

add 2 steals and maybe 0.5 a block a game too

Even in GS with the limited mins, he got in a a good amount of steals and blocks. This year he averaged over 2 steals a game and got in blocks once he settled into the starter role.

 

About the turnovers - sure he makes a few, but the Knicks as a whole averaged less when he was in charge. If he makes less turnovers, which mean he wasn't controlling the ball as much, the rest of the team makes more.

So it isn't really cut and dry...

 

Your entire post...

 

Excuse me, I mispoke. I meant Pau and Metta, not Pau and Kobe. Knicks should offer up Amare and Chandler for Pau and Metta and a minimum salary player or for Pau and McRoberts and Blake. Either one of those deals saves them salary cap and gets them out from under Amare.

You guys that think Amare can be traded anywhere need to think again. He's going to have to be packaged with another contract of value to be moved.

The Lakers are looking to move Pau or Bynum. They really should move both. (But they probably won't.) If they were willing to move both, they could do the deal I am talking about above, then trade Bynum for a star SF such as Iggy or a young star like MKG. If, for instance, they moved Bynum for MKG, they are saving back the extra dollars they spent on the Pau/Chandler/Amare trade. Then they can go to Steve Nash with a ready made team..... Nash/Kobe/MKG/Chandler/Amare. You got a great defensive center that is a PnR specialist. You got a PF (yes, he's got fragile knees) that doesn't have to be a workhorse but you get to stick him in PnRs with one of the best point guards of all time. And you've got Kobe.

On the Knicks side of the ledger, they get to run out Lin, Fields or Shumpert, Artest, Pau, and Anthony. That's a much better aligned team than what they've got now, much more productive with CA at the 4 and Artest at the 3. Those guys can flip-flop defensive assignments all game long. Not to mention you've got Novak re-signed off the bench.

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On another note, Lin averaging 16/6 is probably bout right with Anthony taking all those shots. But, honestly, Lin is a very, very efficient offensive player because he gets to the free throw line a ton with his aggressiveness in the pick and roll. Lin needs to do just one thing, drop his turnovers, that's it. But Woody really needs to come up with a better balance and Melo needs to accept a better balance. The Knicks would be so much better off with a balance of Melo and Lin because of Lin's offensive efficiency and ability to draw fouls. Melo is undoubtedly one of the three best scorers in the league. But he's a homerun hitter, shooting those bombs all the time. When he's not on, which is about 50% of the time, they should back the offense up to Lin and let Lin create off the dribble. Lin has the capacity to average 20/8 with high efficiency if they let him go. Lin is a stud with a huge pair of kahonas. Give him the rock and let him bawl wid it. That's how they went on that streak when Melo and Amare were out. Lin and just 4 guys. He did it all during that stretch. He's a big time player.

 

Germany Lin will get at least the MLE just because of his huge German fan base.

 

Anyone else read it as "Web Pron Ews" and thought Ron Jeremy had done something grosss?

 

The most amazing thing is how Jeremy Lin is still underrated today. He's basically a rookie who performed as a superstar during that stretch. There's no PG in last decade performed like that in 15-18 games stretch in their rookie season. I watched every minute of it, and he did it in the flow of game instead of jacking up shots.

The first 10 games or so, he ranked right at the top of PER for all PG's and he actually plays very good defense which is underrated by PER. Lowry did that as well earlier this year for about 10 games and Dragic maybe close to that in his hottest games later. But Lowry/Dragic are veterans.

 

He is older than Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. It was his second year, not rookie. He NEVER played good defence. He's got so many weakness that is almost unreal how he can play in NBA. You just make him go left and he will turn over or miss shot, because he plays like he doesn't have left hand.

 

cleverly disguised who's an asian thread.

 

A couple observations:

#1 LaMarcus Aldridge is far better than Amare.

#2 Amare has negative trade value.

#3 I personally am not convinced Kyrie Irving is going to get a lot better.

#4 A few months ago 75% of this board thought Jeremy Linn was the Second Coming of Christ, and now he isn't worth Chris Duhon money? A few months ago it was pointed out that Linn was for the most part exploding against poor defenses and with a coach that allowed him to do anything he wanted with Amare and Melo. When Morey said that, everyone said that is ridiculous.. Now that argument is valid?

#5 Calderon is a horrible defender.

#6 Hope Linn is able to leave NY, and Nash goes to Portland, it would help in our efforts to resign Dragic.

#7 If Dragic is resigned you know Lowry won't return.

 

Huh? I would think that gif is better directed at you, as you're making absolutely no sense.

If you stretch Lin's passing numbers to match the minutes that Irving played, they would look like this. Note that they had similar usage rates, so both players had the ball in their hands about similar amounts.

(Lin's number first, Irving's second)

Total Assists: 356 to 275
3pt Assists: 83 to 77
Close Assists: 106 to 98
Dunk Assists: 68 to 26

Specifically, dunk assists are quite important as it is the highest percentage shot in the game. And really shows how good a passer a player is.

 

Lin played with Chandler (a known high-flyer) and Novak (a solid three point shooter) Irving played with no such players and was forced to be the number 1 option.

 

problem is who would play PG for them then especially considering the small window that Melo and Amare have left because of Amare's ongoing issues?

 

You've pretty much outlined the basics of why they are screwed anyway.

 

I'm a fan of the Linster also, but Kyrie's handle is on a different level than Lin.

 

At least Irving can go left. Isn't Lin like 4 years older than Kyrie anyways?