[Webpronews & ESPN] Jeremy Lin May Not Re-Sign with the New York Knicks

I think we should sign Lin so RedRedemption would come. Lol

 

Lin is good enough to get at least the MLE, just take a look at Steve Blake for example and he's not even as good as Lin.

 

Steve Nash was like one of the few restricted free agents to leave and go to another team. Cuban was an idiot. Mavs prolly would have had more than one championship if He would have matched the Sun's offer.

 

Lin will get more than 7Mil.

 

Lin and his agent are just trying to drive up his value. He is a solid player with good height, BB IQ, and scoring. But his athleticism is average and he is turnover prone. So he is good enough to start but on the wrong team he could end up back on the bench.

It is a lose-lose if he leaves the Knicks. They'd both lose out massively on marketing and jersey sales, and Lin won't be guaranteed to get PT on another team.

 

Some of you guys have your heads in the clouds. I like Jeremy Lin and hope he does very well, but 20/10 is completely ridiculous. If some team signs him for $10 million/year long-term, they deserve what will happen.

 

Lin will get MLE, tops.

He created a lot of excitement for a stretch for NY last season. Whoever gets him next season might enjoy some residual buzz from Linsanity. But, if he's not worth his salary in wins, he won't be worth it in marketing either when fans see enough of him to know what he really can and can't do. Yao had that crazy Chinese loyalty in his corner, but he had the performance to back it up. Lin's marketing draw will be more like Yi's if he can't keep up what people thought he could do last year. And, I'm pretty sure he can't, since he had been a beneficiary of good timing and besides his actual performance wasn't even as good as people thought it was at the time. So, he might give you a bump in season ticket sales before he plays a minute of the next season, and then it'll be gone.

 

Lin's true value is at around 3 mil IMO. But I do hope he gets above 5 mil. Just because he knows how to Lin.

But 3 mil in Houston is much better than 3 mil in NY. Everything there is so spensive. 3 mil here can get you much further. Is Portland a cheap place to live in like Houston?

 

15+ point guards I would take in a heartbeat over Jeremy Lin (in no particular order):

Derrick Rose
Russel Westbrook
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
John Wall
Tony Parker
Stephen Curry
Goran Dragic
Rojon Rondo
Ricky Rubio
Kyrie Irving
Brandon Jennings
Ty Lawson
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley Jr.
Steve Nash

If anyone offers him more than the mid-level excpetion they are out of their minds. The kid made some strides but there is no way he will end up being a dominant player at his postition.

 

Lin's salary is restricted to the equivelant of the MLE due to the Gilbert Arenas Rule (~$5MM). This is applied to RFAs with less than 2 years experience

whats restricting the Knicks from offering that amount, is MLE "Apron" built into the New CBA.
Teams over the Luxury Tax threshold have the choice of:
1) using only a ~$3MM exception
2) using the fulle ~$5MM MLE and being held to a "hard cap" for the remainder of the year.

While NYK is not technically over the Luxury threshold (~$70MM), they are on the wrong side of $60MM, and have a choice to make between paying Lin, JR Smith and Novak.

 

Sure, he'll start if a team decides to spend that much on him. But Lin's success is very system-dependent. Let's say he were to go to Miami, which is in need of a PG upgrade. In that case, the question would be: is Lin's playmaking even needed on a team with LBJ and Wade? A guy like Chalmers might end up taking his spot back later in the season if he could show he were better on D.

 

Here's what the Lin math looks like for an outside team:


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<tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th></th></tr> <tr><td>&nbsp;</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td> </td><td> 2012-13 </td><td> 2013-14 </td><td>2014-15</td><td>2015-16</td></tr> <tr><td>Free Agent</td><td>Cap Hit </td><td>&nbsp;</td><td> $9,744,220 </td><td> $9,744,220 </td><td> $9,744,220 </td><td> $9,744,220 </td></tr> <tr><td>Free AGent</td><td>Actual</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td> $5,000,000 </td><td> $5,225,000 </td><td> $14,085,191 </td><td> $14,666,690 </td></tr></table>
The Gilbert Arenas rule restricts his salary to the upcoming two years to around $5 million, but does not restrict his salary for the next two years-- so a team can pay him the max(around $14 mil). However, for an outside team that signs him, the average salary counts for cap purposes for all 4 years-- the highest that teams can pay him is around $9.74 million/year. They don't have to pay him this much, but this is the max they can pay him.

For the Knicks, however, the actual salary of each year counts for cap purposes. Good for them for years 1 and 2, but not so good for years 3 and 4.

Also, I think that, whoever signs Lin, if he is traded after signed to such a contract, the actual salary will have to count on the payroll of his new team rather than the average amount. It makes him a rather troublesome trade chip.

Anyhow, I am thinking somewhere between $7 million to $8 million will be where he ends up. Hard to pay more than this given the limited sample of his good NBA play. However, his marketing and on court potential will make somebody willing to pay the price.

Edit: Here's what a $7.5 million/year offer would look like under the Gilbert Arenas Rule::


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You can't be serious.

Kyrie Irving and Jeremy Lin being debatable about who is better? lol

 

lin was actually doing pretty well with the turnovers before he got hurt. i see him as a 14 and 7 pg with 4 boards and a steal a game while sporting 3.5 tos a game. not superstar numbers but very solid and definitely more than adequate for a third year player whos really only played one full season.

the knicks would be foolish not do their best to re-sign him

 

The Kincks would be foolish to pay big money to a player to a player that has played regular minutes for less than 2 months.

Of course, the Knicks are screwed anyway.