Webb wearing his kid's real combat boots, Allen wearing his fake cowboy boots. TJ is upset Allen lost.
Here's another chance... I'm sure your expertise and leadership will be highly valuable in shaping this new arm of American Democracy. Thanks in advance for your support.
Dude, things haven't gone 1% according to plan and everyone but you seems to know it. Even Bush is cowed and offering apologies for a policy he acknowledges has gone badly even while you can't stop cheering. Contrary to your constant misrepresentation of me and other opponents of this failed mistake of a war, you can't provide ONE example of me wishing it would go badly or that the troops would fail. You say that crap constantly. It's time you provided one single link among my thousands of posts to support it. Here's how I support the troops: First, when a war is proposed that seems both unnecessary and unwinnable, I oppose it on the grounds that we shouldn't send Americans to die for a folly of a war. Having failed to prevent that war, as it becomes clear it's failing and there's no reasonable strategy to turn it around, I support the troops by trying to end the folly of a war -- a war that WILL end in failure and the longer we prolong it the more troops will die for nothing -- I suggest we end it in the most responsible way possible. No one -- NO SERIOUS PERSON -- continues to believe this war wasn't a mistake. The only thing anyone is talking about now is damage control -- how to end it with the least damage considering how dangerous it is now to leave the region. You talk a lot about the lunatic fringe. There is no fringe more lunatic, or tinier, than the people that still think you and Bush were right to start this debacle in the first place. The troops have paid the real price for that. But you couldn't care less. You are on record here talking about how disgusting homeless Vietnam vets are and what leeches they are. You're a disgusting piece of crap just for that. And you have an incredible amount of nerve talking about supporting those same troops you have dropped a huge dump on. You don't support the troops and you never have. You are nothing but a stubborn Republican of the most elitist variety. You proudly hate the poor and afflicted -- a group that, unfortunately, includes veterans of foreign wars. As such, in your favorite blackiswhite language, you have no cred. None at all. You're just a sorry, soggy ****.
as compared to Webb, Dubya is but a mental midget. so what. Dubya, in his Yale days, was the "go-to" guy o campus, if you want to score some coke. he was also arrested for drunk driving.
Webb looked a little too stiff. I stopped paying attention when he started giving history lessons. What was the deal with that wierd grin halfway? Did he just rip one and didn't know if the mike picked it up? Anyways, he tore a big one into the Prez's speech. Webb should take some coaching lessons into oration if he intends to go into the public speaking circuit.
Usually minority rebuttals tick me off with their incessant whining...but this one was actually worth listening to. Until he started to compare today's American economy with the days of the Great Depression. I was like, what the hell. *Click*
Strong, forceful, brilliant! Webb shows in this small section of his speech how Bush, as the C&C, has failed our brave troops.
tradertexx, you are such a partisan tool. as a bush supporter you have absolutely no crediblity when talking about fiscal and economic responsibility. like your god bush, you arent even a conservative. you want to criticize webb on his economic principles, but you still support bush even though he is the biggest fiscal liberal this country has ever had. which president spent more than all previous 42 combined again? and its odd that you would mention jim webb's books and their questionable material, but you still support a president who planted a gay male prostitute in the white house press corp and had said gay male prostitute make dozens and dozens of trips to the white house? your criticism of webb is also odd in light of the fact that you are on record gleefully proclaiming that you would pay money to watch people be waterboarded with urine. seems like his books would be right up your alley there pee-boy. not only are you all a bunch of hypocrites, but you fake conservatives are really weird!
I was hoping he would salute the camera a la John Kerry. Personally, I would have preferred Mutombo give a response. I had the unfortunate experience of seeing Channel 11's recap where Giff talked about how great it was for Mutombo to be a Rocket. Then the dumb anchor (don't know his name) says, "Did you see how he towered over everybody?!?!" It was pure genius. Who would have thought a 7'2" basketball player would tower over Laura Bush? Did you also notice how hard it seemed for Laura to go down the steps to her seat? Either they are really steep or she is prematurely aging. I love her blank stare.
She's loaded, just like her husband. Dubya has started drinking again, and Laura has started smoking weed and popping pills again. After all the bad that Dubya has brought on them since his selection, they both have to numb the pain.
to feel pain one must have a conscience, which i dont think 'torture boy' and his stepford-wife looking first lady have. ...she has crazy eyes.
lol. Do you have a plaque on your desk saying this. TJ sits at the "Expert" desk. Do you walk around in a white lab coat tha says "Expert" on it.
Oh, really? Don't make me drag up your post regarding veteran benefits, Trader_J. Just back slowly away from the vitriol. Thanks in advance. D&D. Good Morning!
I can't believe I missed this one. You certainly have not supported the troops. Do you support giving a medal to the brave soldier who did his duty and exposed the Abu Ghraib story? Do you oppose torture as our military does on the grounds that they know it will make matters worse for our troops if they are captured? I believe I have not seen your support for the troops in either of these cases. I am certain I have seen hope that we do torture inmates at Gitmo. That is very unsupportive of our troops. Your lack of support regardings veteran benefits as already been shown.
i am certian that i have seen him state that he would pay money to watch inmates at gitmo get urineboarded. tj doesnt realize that supporting the troops means more than empty partisan rhetoric on a message board. i guess he also doesnt realize that his and bush's views are in the extreme minority when it comes to the "surge". check out these poll results from that bastion of moot-bat lib-pigism, the military times. http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,122033,00.html Fully 70 percent of Americans oppose sending more troops, and a like number don't think such an increase would help stabilize the situation there. and furthermore... http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php tradertexx, may i ask how you are supporting the troops when you are trying to go against them? dont you think the troops know better than you? 50% of the troops think the war is unwinnable - by your criteria, doesnt that mean that 50% of the troops hate america and want the troops to fail? ive asked him several times and never got an answer - does he have any family or close friends currently serving? i am curious...
Jim Webb and the politics of the military Toward the end of the Democratic response to George W. Bush's State of the Union address last night, Jim Webb said that he and members of his family have served in the U.S. military "not for political reasons, but because we love our country." It was a not-so-subtle reminder that Bush seems to have lost the military on the war, but it was something else, too: Webb's personal rejoinder to those who would use a soldier's commitment to duty as proof of his support for the president's policies. The comment seems to have come straight out of something that happened when Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs chairman Peter Pace appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this month. Trying desperately to shore up support for the president's conduct of the war, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham walked Pace through a series of leading questions about Iraq. Graham asked Pace if reenlistment rates were high among those who have served in Iraq. Pace said they were. "Why is that so? Why is that so?" Graham asked. "I think several reasons," Pace said. "First of all, and most fundamentally, they believe in the mission they've been given. And second, and also fundamentally, they believe that the American people support them in their mission and support them as military." Graham, looking for even more, asked: "Do they believe their mission is directly related to the security of their own children and grandchildren?" Pace responded, "Absolutely, sir." Webb was up next -- it was his first chance to speak as a member of the Armed Services Committee -- and he couldn't let the matter stand. After a few welcoming words to Gates and Pace, Webb interrupted himself and said: "General Pace, I wasn't going to say this, but I want to say something, just my own little interjection here, on the reenlistment rates and why people serve. You know, I come from a family that's spent a lot of time in the military generationally, and I think it's fair to say that in my experience people rarely enlist for political reasons -- rarely serve for political reasons. They serve because they love their country, they serve because they have a family tradition, they serve for camaraderie. And so I don't agree with the characterization that preceded me on that ... There are people who are serving because of the political mission, but there are people who perhaps even in spite of the political mission are serving." Pace backpedaled. "I absolutely agree with the fundamental things that you said about the reason why people join the armed forces," he told Webb a few minutes later. "They do not serve for a political purpose, and we strive very hard and mightily to not have political affiliations. So I want to make sure that I align myself with you -- with what you said." Webb said he appreciated the retraction and made it clear that Pace wasn't the real target of his anger, anyway. "This was more, in my view, an attempt to clarify a series of leading questions that were being put to you by my predecessor, because it's very important, I think ... for people to understand that it's rare, in my view, that people decide to serve purely for some political reason, whatever the issue is ... We become, sort of, the stewards of their service, as a result, because we are the political entity here." -- Tim Grieve http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/01/24/webb2/print.html
