If Kings want to give up webb for Cat and Cato, then they must know something wrong about his health that no one else know. There is no way kings trade healthy webb for Cat and Cato.
You know, this is one trade that actually makes some sense for both teams. The Kings lose a star player with a big contract, one they seemingly don't need(especially if they disappoint in the playoffs). In return, they get two proven commodities to fill some needs. Mobley will fit in easily, given his good shooting and quickness. Cato provides the backup to Divac and Miller. The Rockets take a gamble on Webber. It can certainly blow up in our face to the extent of the Pippen debacle. But it dramatically increases our championship chances should things work out. Webber might be 31, but he's becoming a great shooter. So his deterioation should not be as quick as someone who relies more on atheleticism. Of course, bringing Webber in might very well mean the end to the sf3 era. No way can Webber and Yao work with a shoot-first PG.
wow if thats true...I never in my wildest dreams thought we could get so much for Cat and Cato. Is there something wrong with CWebb? I know he hasnt played particularly well since coming back and the Kings have suffered. He lookedpretty healthy to me last time. If the Rox can steal CWebb from SacTown, oh hell yeah!
Chris Webber is injury prone. He's 31 now. He isn't going to be able to bounce back as quickly as he once did. I don't want Yao's compliment to be a guy who 4 years from now will be in decline just as Yao reaches his prime. Webber dissapears in the big games anyway. I just don't see the facination with Webber at this point in his career and the rockets development.
Brand would be ideal and as long as you don't mess with Yao or Steve then by all means go get him; but also when you can get Webber for Cato and Mobley you've gotta do it. IMO of course.
I'd probably rather have Rasheed than Webber, but Webber's an All-Star talent and versatile. He can pass and he can provide spacing. If healthy, I don't think there's any question we're better off. People can criticize the Barkley trade, but in my opinion, we wouldn't have lost to the Jazz in the Western Conference Finals back in '97(?) if Barkley hadn't gotten injured in Game 6. Another option: Cato Mobley Jackson for Webber Christie giving us: Yao Webber/Taylor Griffin/Nachbar Christie/Piatkowski Steve/M. Jackson No more trade exception, but we still have the MLE in this scenario. I like Cato and Mobley for Webber as is, but I can't make it work in the Trade Checker. This helps both teams, I feel.
Why? JJ>Christie Rasheed's game yes but he is such a tool that I don;t think I would ever want on my team.
Not to bash you or nothing, but young big men who got skills often arent easily acquired because most teams like to hang on to them. Webber is 31, he'll still be valuable in 3 or 4 years. Dont make such a big deal out of him getting older. Unlike some other PFs his game is based on skill and athleticsim. In 4 years he will still be averaging 15 and 9 at least. Will he be overpaid by then? probably, but he might have helped us get a ring, so I'll take that and I think the Rox would too
Webber simply isn't durable. Age wouldn't be a problem if he could stay healthy but that just isn't the case. Whether or not you like them or not Francis and Mobley are very durable. Chris Webber missed 12 games in the 00-01 season missed 28 games in the 01-02 season missed 15 games in the 02-03 season missed 59 games in the 03-04 season In regards to the "It hard to get young PF's because teams want to hold onto them" comment. Of course, that doesn't mean you take a chance on a guy who fades in the playoffs and who is going to miss a lot of key games throughout the regular season.
Teams that dont take chances often wind up in mediocrity. There are very few sure fire things in the NBA, you wind up having to take chances almost all the time if you wanna goto the next level. Put it this way, Yao was more of an unsure thing than Jay Williams. What do you think woulda happened had we traded the 1st pick to the Clips for Odom and others as was rumored? We would be Phoenix Suns Part Deux. Instead we took somewhat of a chance on the big fella and now are looking at legit champtionship contention in a couple of years if we can make one more move
The Yao pick was a no brainer. There were a lot of people split on the issue but you don't pass on a 7'6 center. Jay Williams was overhyped from the beginning. Dick Vitale and his "Houston will regret this pick" speech was the kiss of death. Why not compare Chris Webber to Ken Griffey Jr. He's only in his early 30's. Despite being injured off and on the last 4 years why don't the astros trade for him? Chris Webber hasn't played 75 games or more in 5 years. How many championships has he gotten to or won? His biggest criticism he he chokes under pressure in the playoffs. The rockets are looking to be successful long term. Why tie up more Max money on Webber. They aren't going to win a championship anytime soon. Yao isn't near his prime yet.
Not everyone thought he was a no brainer, everyone compared him to Rik Smits or Shawn Bradley at the time. You can say the same thing about people like Dirk, KG, Tmac, Malone, GP etc. when it comes to not winning championships. It takes a lot of things to win a ring, using it as a baometer for a person's career is very unfair. Steve Kerr has more rings than John Stockton, does that make him better? That money (around 14 or 15 mil) is gonna be in Houston's books for a while anyway. Why not take a chance and give it to a player who can make a difference? You cant always have the perfect team, this isnt a video game draft. You have to bite the bullet sometimes and take a chance on someone who isn't a sure fire thing.
That's just it. He won't make a difference if he is gonna miss 20 to 30 games a year. He is known to fade away in the playoffs. That won't help us win a championship. Chris Webber is NOT the answer.
Ok then give us your take on who you think will work out for the Rox and is ACQUIREABLE without sacrifcing our core players in Franchise and Yao
You aren't going to get any player of that caliber if you keep the Francis/Yao tandem. It simply isn't going to work financially.
Then what do you think would work? Obviously this team is a 2nd round team at best. You are saying the team cant win a ring with Yao and SF on the same team?
To be quite honest i don't know. If Francis is able to adapt his game to a JVG style, while shooting better than 39% from the field and also limiting his turnovers then sure. If not they don't have a prayer. The rockets need guys who can hit the open shot consistantly and guys who aren't going to turn the ball over 5 times a game. Let's start there. I don't get into naming names. Once the season ends we'll see what happens.
