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rocketanalyist · Aug 31, 2008

B-Bob said:

rocketsanalgesic,
the point is discrimination. And yes, it's biological. 500 species show gay members. So, if you're gay, and you're out of the closet, should your boss be able to fire you when he finds out? You're doing a great job, excellent performance reviews, but you get fired because your boss doesn't like gay people. That's a civil issue, and a bunch of people in the US think that's bogus.

likewise, if you beat someone up for the color of her skin, that's a hate crime. A bunch of people in the US, myself included, also think it should be a hate crime if you beat the crap out of someone because she was born liking other girls instead of boys.

They don't get special treatment. Liberals tend to just want everyone to get the same fair shake. Radical notion, I realize.
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I think you and others missed my point. First of all...the issue of whether a person was born gay or not is debateable to say the least.

Second, animals being homosexual and comparing that to humans is like saying animals that are incestous means that we should accept incest as well.

That being said, I CLEARLY STATED THAT NO ONE SHOULD BE OPPRESSED FOR their sexual practices that are legal in this country, whether I like or agree to them or not.

I don't agree with oppressing people in anyway because of them being gay, but don't expect me to accept it or like it, or consider it to be "normal". Regardless of my views, I can accept that people are entitled to have their own and live their lives free of oppression.

But also, don't tell me that gay/lesbian people are similar to being black slaves and their ancestors with the oppression and suffering that was endured and continues to this day in hidden forms. That is BS my friend.

rocketanalyist · Aug 31, 2008

durvasa said:

Couldn't the exact same thing be said about religious minorities? Actually your argument applies more to that. While there may be a gray area about how much a sexual orientation is determine by who someone is rather than what they choose, religion is by definition a belief that you have to choose to accept. Should we therefore turn a blind eye towards discrimination of people with a certain belief system?
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Again..I think many of you choose to ignore my statement that no one should be discriminated against because of their sexual preferences. I know gay and lesbian people and like them as people, even if I don't agree with their practices. I also believe that they should in no way be oppressed or discriminated against.

But you are right...whether one is a Jew, Christian or Muslim is likewise a choice and also should not be discriminated against. I dont know what I said to make you think I would disagree with that.

I could give you reasons why a person should be a Christian over a Muslim, or why I think being a Muslim is the wrong faith, but that wouldn't mean that I believe that it is okay to discriminate against them would it?

rocketanalyist · Aug 31, 2008

Deckard said:

You clearly have a far different view of gay rights and sexual preference than you do about women's rights, whether in the in the area of abortion or job discrimination, or the right of every American not to face discrimination based on the color of their skin. Discrimination based on sexual preference is no different, in my opinion. Your long list of (pardon me) lame examples of a gray area (farm animals? bondage? swingers? ...reaching much?) simply ignores the fact that millions are born with a biological preference for the same sex.

Someday, this period of discrimination based on sexual preference will be seen as being akin to the long history of discrimination against those "of color" and discrimination against women because of their sex, and just as backward (I think ignorance, or worse, more to the mark, speaking of those who believe sexual preference is a "choice," but I'm trying to be civil to those who hold that belief). I find it fascinating that folks believing themselves to be "progressive" or "liberal" can have a blind spot when it comes to sexual orientation of either gender and that it is, in my opinion (I'm not alone, as numerous studies say the same thing) driven by a biological imperative no different than the biological imperative that drives men and women together to bond and have sexual relations.

Oh, and what B-Bob said.
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While I completely disagree on your opinion and whatever studies support it, based on the nature of things, I still will reiterate that I don't agree for anyone to discriminate against gays/lesbians for their sexual preference when it is legal in this country.

LScolaDominates · Aug 31, 2008

rocketanalyist said:

I could give you reasons why a person should be a Christian over a Muslim, or why I think being a Muslim is the wrong faith, but that wouldn't mean that I believe that it is okay to discriminate against them would it?
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I always lol at people who think their silly superstitions are somehow more valid than others'.

While I completely disagree on your opinion and whatever studies support it, based on the nature of things, I still will reiterate that I don't agree for anyone to discriminate against gays/lesbians for their sexual preference when it is legal in this country.
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Then again, looks like you have no concern for facts or reality in the first place.

Very good science (twin studies being some of the best evidence) shows that homosexuality is determined by a combination of genetic and environmental factors. There is no doubt that there is at least some genetic component and some environmental component. I'm not aware of any evidence that suggests people are able to control what makes them aroused.

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