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We need to resurrect someone's career

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by withmustard, Aug 9, 2006.

  1. Van Gundier

    Van Gundier Member

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    Well, my genius idea, based on the result I obtained on repeated simulations on a serious sports simulation software (i.e. playing hours of NBA 2K6) is to deal Sura, Head, Howard, Bowen and maybe a future pick in some sort of trades for Thugleavy and Miles. Yep, two underachievers who need serious resurrecting for the price of one!

    My starting lineup:

    Point Small Forward: Miles
    Shooting Small Forward: McGrady
    Regular Small Forward: Battier
    Power Small Forward: Thugleavy
    Center: Yao

    Darius Miles was awesome on D against everyone from Chauncey to Marbury.
     
  2. TeamUSA

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    like Spreewel's?
     
  3. Shroopy2

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    I wasnt for D Miles before but if they're for bringing in a guy like Kirk Snyder then Miles (at a heftier price) would make sense too. Guys who can still play but their careers are on the down...nice. Starbury, anyone on the Knicks, Kenyon, Damon Stoudamire for the 11th time..bring em in. Or go after the used-to-be's in Sprewell, Penny, Or Grant Hill. :eek:

    They should look into a Jay Williams or Dajuan Wagner. Low risk/medium to high reward . I know there's a reason no teams have gone after these guys but try just to say u got some actual talent on this team.
     
  4. Danbury

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    When did we ever do anything with 3 top 50's? Barkley Olajuwan, Drexler and Barkley, Olajuwan, and Pippen, all failed to make any noise in the playoffs.
     
  5. withmustard

    withmustard Member

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    thank you for your support.
    it's good to see somebody discussed my topic,
    instead of
    how many times
    i pressed the
    ENTER KEY.
     
  6. Laozi

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    Grant Hill could pay big dividens off the bench for this team. He can shoot and pass and would play well with Yao when T-Mac was on the bench, plus outside of Rafer I don't think anyone who is going to be in the regular rotation would be too good at running the point. He'd allow for our combos to matchup with pointguards, but not have to play the point.
     
  7. withmustard

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    sorry man, I must have accidently hit the W when I hit the E. By the way you didn't capitalize your I's. what the hell man. ooooooowwwww. I'm soo mad right now. So very mad. Never post again. how dare you.
     
  8. momosworld

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    I
    used
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    enter
    key

    Did that help?

    Seriously this year is the first time in a long time that stringing together a bunch of stars has worked, and that is mainly because G-Payton is one the downside and Riley forced J-will and Walker to be role players. Every other championship team (and a bunch of finals teams) for years has been about a Superstar, a secondary star, and a bunch of role players. (Except Detroit which you could argue has no superstar at all.)

    Examples
    Spurs- Duncan, Robinson, a bunch of role players
    Spurs- Duncan, Manu, and a bunch of role players
    Lakers- Shaq, Kobe and a bunch of role players
    Lakers, Kobe, Shaq...
    Chicago- Jordan, Pippen...
    Houston- Olajuwon, Drexler...

    Finals Teams
    Sonics- Kemp, Payton...
    Utah- Malone, Stockton...

    Failures
    Potland from the late 90's, Sacramento for a few years after them Loaded with talent, but couldn't advance.
    LA when Detroit beat them
    Houston with Hakeem, Clyde, and Barkley or Hakeem, Barkley, and Pippen

    The build an all-star team thing rarely works. Just look at Team USA the last few years. I think we will be better than alot of people think, but I would like to see an upgrade in the rebounding and defense from the 4 in the form of a good role player, not an Elton Brand.
     
  9. glynch

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    Good post mustard. Don't let the boo-birds get you down. Some folks just have their spelling and formatting to be proud of. Like to pick on folks with less posts.
     
  10. TRAVLR

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    I'm not on LSD, Crack or drunk, but watching Kirk Snyder play last night at Fonde, he needs some motivatiing. He was very smooth, unselfish, and AT TIMES played very well. But also he missed wide open 3's, seemed much less energetic than others on the court (specifically Rashard Lewis and Ansu Sesay). I'm glad I got to see him play, but if he is our starting 2, then he either needs to be in better shape or quickly learn how to play harder. He appeared disinterested and passive to me.
     
  11. mrmrdan

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    Let's sign Dennis Rodman to the veteran's minimum. He's the ultimate "thug" power forward- just what we need.
     
  12. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I wouldn't consider going seven games to the eventual champions in the WCF or losing in the finals a failure.

    Here's a question for you, besides the Pippen debacle, name the last loaded team that didn't make it to the conference finals or lose to the eventual champions.
     
  13. akuma

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    i'll answer your question with another question. :p who was the last loaded team besides Detroit (either version) to win it all during a subsequent season after making it all the way the conference finals or even the finals just to lose it in the end? you can't count Detroit because their "stars" were in or near their prime when they lost it the first time.

    you see, no one cares about who was the second best or the first loser. Portland and Sacramento were really close, just doesn't count. Sacramento even were able to get to the WCF again the following year, but alas, they were without CWebb kinda like how the Knicks were without Ewing in '99. yet there was no great likelyhood that either team could have beaten the Spurs even with their respective "superstar".

    anyway, to answer your question properly, the '01 Blazers were even more loaded on paper with Sheed, Pip, Bonzi, Steve Smith, Sabonis, Dale Davis, Stoudamire, Schrempf and Kemp but flamed out in the first round. yes, they lost to the Lakers, but they wouldn't have gotten by the Spurs either. speaking of the Lakers, they were loaded ever since Shaq arrived, yet it wasn't until they got Phil Jackson and unloaded that they started winning titles. the '01 Heat were loaded with Mourning, Eddie Jones, Tim Hardaway, Brian Grant, and Mason, but couldn't get past the first round despite the return or Mourning. the following year, they picked up Rod Strickland who was still starter material then and an eventual improvement over the oft-injured Hardaway, along with Jim Jackson and Kendal Gill instead of Mason, but they ended up with a Rockets like record with only 36 wins. the Mavs have been "loaded" since '03 but it wasn't until last season that they made it past the second round and that was with a less loaded team, and they still lost. and of course the Knicks and Pacers have been relatively loaded for the majority of the past 15 and 10 years respectively, but have been upset numerous times; sometimes by each other.

    my point is that star power at every or almost every position has rarely been seen (only by Detroit) in the last 15 years of the NBA Finals. nor has it been necessary as Detroit was still unable to win it all the last two years. this upcoming season, the top teams haven't gotten any stronger except Phoenix, if Amare comes back healthy, but Nash will be 33 by the time the playoffs start. if the Rockets can just have a healthy season, a big if, they should be able to hold their own against any team in the league.
     
  14. momosworld

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    Maybe failure is too strong a word unless you buy into the theory that any season without a championship is a failure. The point was none of those teams won a championship. Almost of them were eventually beaten by a team with the 1 + 2 + role player formula. Portland, Sacramento, and then the Mavs (NOwitzki, Nash, Finley...) are great examples. Each went to the WCF finals several times, but could not get over the hump.

    I would even disagree with akuma on one point because I don't think Detroit is loaded in that same way. They have gone the other direction. I would say theirs is more of a 2-2-2 with really, really great role players. (Some may disagree, but to me Ben Wallace is just a really great role player, not a star.) And Detroit only won one year and they were playing a team that had tried to load up on stars (Lakers- Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Payton).

    I think when you build a team like that, you are expecting a championship or you wouldn't put it together, but you almost have to go back to the Lakers showtime era or Bird's Celtics to find a team as loaded as the one that everyone seems to want to put out on the court every year that actually wins it all, and those are different eras.

    It is the chemistry that separates those other teams from the champion, moreso than just talent. Just look at the 95 Hakeem and Clyde team. They entered as a 6th seed bc it took them the whole second half to gel. The reason they beat SA in 6 and swept Orlando is bc they had been forced to greatness by the early round battles by Phoenix and Utah. Those battles made their chemistry for the WCF and finals. All of those teams I mentioned didn't have the interior mettle to witrhstand the test and they all didn't make it all the way. They weren't failures, but they weren't champions.

    I'll be honest that one of my biggest concerns is not the 4 or 2 or point, but can Yao and T-Mac become a 1-2 (or at least 1a-1b) combo instead of a 1-1. I think both of their selflessnesses )what kind of word is that) will contribute to that happening.
     
  15. UTweezer

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    i don't think quentel woods ever had a career to resurrect. he is a never-has-been.
     
  16. aussie rocket

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    then what exactly do you think your playing at trying to become a member of these boards?
     
  17. TRAVLR

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    Clearly I'm a wannabee!
     
  18. Sextuple Double

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    Some careers we have tried to resurrect;

    C. Weatherspoon
    D. Mutombo
    C. Ward
    D. Wesley :mad:

    Who I'm afraid you're now referring to;

    Paul Shirley :eek:
     
  19. Texas Stoke

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    They need to resurrect Lisa Malosky's career. Post games shows have never been the same without her.
     
  20. butch mcrae

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    It's time to ressurrect Reggie Miller, John Starks, and of course ZAN TABAK.

    game.........blouses.
     

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