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We need a passing PG.....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. acer01

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    I don't think you want to sign uncle kidd by then :eek:
     
  2. mac_got_this

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    man, we just need somebody who can greate their own shot, and finish strong.
    we just need a more consistent version of Bonzi Wells.

    WE should've takened Nick Young instead of Aaron Brooks.

    Nick Young is ballin in DC(where i live). Tha other night he scored 20 in tha second half and led a comeback for tha Wiz Kids against LA.

    Dude will be a stud.
     
  3. t_mac1

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    obviously he'd make a great backup. he was never starter material. his weaknesses get exposed more and more the more he plays. he's best for 25-28 minutes a game.

    again, i don't get where people think the ball should be in rafer's hands more to create. he was never a good creator in terms of PG. he can't run the pick and roll very well. he doesn't have good vision. he can't even throw lobs to tmac very well (look at the past 10 games or so, all of his lobs have been beyond awful, including the one tonight).

    and what makes it worse, is that his shot is very inconsistent. and we go as he goes b/c he plays more minutes than anybody besides tmac, and the ball is in his hands more than any other player besides tmac.

    we can only pray that bobby will play more (let tmac create). use scola more on the high post.

    or we can pray that rafer makes 42-43% of his shots in the playoffs in the first round for 5-6 games. he can suck in the 2nd round.
     
  4. Sherlock

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    Well, not much we can do about it this year. It is frustrating ... I had hopes that Rafer was going to pick it back up ... but not looking good.

    But, as tempting as it is to wonder about guys like Hinrich, Calderon, or Navarro, I do think we need to be rooting for Rafer to regain whatever it was he had, and make another run in the playoffs ... we'll see.

    Come on Rafer, we know you read these boards. We believe you can make those passes and hit those shots like you did in the streak. We might be frustrated, but without you, we don't have a prayer in the playoffs ... make us proud, dude !!!
     
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  5. t_mac1

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    the good thing, ever since he became a rocket, he always has long stretches of good and bad play.

    he was good during the 22-game winning streak. he's sucking for the past 7-8 games. maybe he'll be good again in the playoffs? hey, think positive right? ;)
     
  6. abc2007

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    He will only take 1 mil by then.

     
  7. hooroo

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    IMO he'll get more than the full MLE. It'll have to be a sign amd trade. They'll want someone of Rafer's calibre in return just not Rafer at least Sam Mitchell won't.
     
  8. Rockets4279

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  9. abc2007

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    B. Jackson + Head? They need a sg.

     
  10. abc2007

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    It seems Harris doesn't fit well with the nets. If they cannot make playoff this season (very likely), they may want to rebuild and trade him for expiring contract.

     
  11. leebigez

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    who played pg for kings in the 4th? Maybe if the rox had artest instead of glue guy, this game isn't even close. Hell, bonzi would have helped. The rox just needs better players.
     
  12. Rockets4279

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    Nobody knows where he will end up he could be anywhere even in Miami.
    Artest we can surely get him though even through a sign and trade. The bottom line is he very well wants to win and his window with the Kings is running out. They are high on Brooks and hell even Landry could help that team. Artest would have a huge impact on this team that nobody would want to see us in the playoffs.
     
  13. v3.0

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    Dude, you've got all the solutions. Unfortunately, you never think them through and most of them are wrong.

    Looks like you wrested away the knee-jerk crown away from DD.
     
  14. Rockets4279

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    The moves Morey made over the past year have put us in a very good position in the long term as well. He done a great job on building the championship calibur team around 2 of our best players in his first year. The moves he made all lead up to the question marks of the moves he did make that could indeed have something on the horizing this off season i feel it coming something is going to happen. I am not disappointed about the way we seen what this team is capable of doing and its only going to get better and better.
     
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    I watched I-spy yesterday. So I am thinking....
    How about put a wireless microphone in Rafer's ear?
    I will shout and make sure he finds the open man.
     
  16. Thefabman

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    i dont understand why he doesnt make those passes, its like hes scared too, i mean i understand why tmac does it with ease bc he's 6'8 and just throws it over the top of the defender but i mean coming around a pick with the man cutting he never makes that pass, other point guards his size do, thats the only thing that pisses me off about skip

    id much rather have the 4 in the middle of the lane on the move with the ball than rafer keep the ball at the perimeter
    guess he doesnt want to mess up his assist turnover ratio

    if he dont make that pass in the playoffs break out the broom and give it to whoever we face :(
     
  17. jopatmc

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    We can't do anything this year, obviously, besides to look on our own roster. And there sits little Aaron Brooks. I agree with the posters who are suggesting we need to run Brooks and Novak out there. You've got 3 guys in Rafer, BJax, and Luther that are all shooting terrible on top of McGrady's already low percentage because he is the focal point. We've got to have a guy out there that when McGrady throws the ball to, he can either hit the open shot or fake the defense into a fly by and then get the dribble drive to the rim. It's so simple. McGrady collapses the defense, then they scramble, and we got Rafer coming up the gut.

    I think combined in tonight's game Rafer, Head, and BJax shot something like 34% from the field and combined for 24 points on 23 shots including 20% from the 3 point line. That is simply too inefficient from 3 guys that we are depending on to score the basketball. And the reason is very simple. McGrady's getting them the shots, but then the defense overreacts back to them and NONE of them can effectively get the ball to the rim and finish. That's why I am for getting Aaron Brooks back in there. He is a guy that can blow past the over rotating D and get either a decent finish in the paint or pass off to someone for the easy one.

    This is the same scenario we got going every year. We're coming down to crunch time, playoff time, and all of a sudden we are running into better defenses that switch and rotate faster. Against that defense, you've got to be able to not only hit the shot, but if they cover the shot, you've got to be able to put the ball on the floor and create another shot. Rafer, Luther, and BJax CANNOT create their own shot worth 2 cents.

    And once again, we are not playing the passing game right. It's all hand the ball to McGrady and watch him dribble, and stand around the perimeter for the spot up. That's bullcrap.

    1. There is no way, when you look at Rafer's, BJax's, and Luther's box, that Aaron shouldn't have gotten 10-15 minutes tonight.

    2. If you are going to have Luther out there and he ain't red hot, then he should at least be benched in favor of Novak. All Luther can do is shoot it and if his shoot is off, he's a total liability on the floor, poor decision maker, poor handle, poor passer, poor defender. If he can't get the shot off, he should sit and Novak should come in. Don't talk to me about matchups. Luther can't defend a fence post. Might as well a bigger, taller shooter, with a quicker release and greater accuracy on the floor getting 3-5 shots from distance and forcing a defensive adjustment by the opponent.


    As far as next season...............................

    either Francis has to come back strong, or Brooks has to improve a ton, or we gotta get an upgrade.

    This team as currently made up without Yao, has 2 offensive options: McGrady and Scola. They're the only guys that you can throw the ball to out on the floor and they go to work it. (BTW, has everyone noticed that Scola has emerged as our #2 option?) Everybody else wants to just chuck it up or make bad decisions. I couldn't believe tonight. Rafer decides to drive the paint against a collapsing zone defense and then they turn around and give the ball to Hayes for the hook shot. How dumb can you be? We are lacking the 3rd scorer that can get their shot and get somebody else some too. If Rafer is off, and Luther and BJax are off, like they were tonight, we most likely ain't getting it done. You gotta have that 3rd guy that can fill it up. That's why I am convinced that next season we've got to either get Mike Miller, or Brooks has to become a prime rotation player, or we gotta get some other guy that can make the defense have to react. Right now, all the defense has to do is collapse on McGrady and then keep the ball away from Scola and they have forced us into low efficiency offense.

    When you look at this game tonight, we outrebounded them by 75%, had more assists, less turnovers, had 11 more shots from the field, and 6 more foul shots, and we still lost. There's only one reason for it: poor shooting, poor shot selection. They shot 50% and we shot 40% so although we put up more shots, they made more field goals, and they shot over 40% from 3 while we chucked up a 25%. We were obviously packing the paint offensively as our offensive boards were off the charts with Hayes, Scola, Landry, Battier, and Deke constantly coming up with the board off our misses but still couldn't get enough shots to fall as they forced us to hurry the 3 point shot or got us to dribble drive right into the teeth of the defense. Pitiful!
     
  18. Thefabman

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    lol i was watchin that, we need some of that antigravity jelly so when rafer throws them teardrops up then can glide down into the basket like a jelly bird :D
     
  19. saleem

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    Nick Young was well gone before our turn.
     
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    We can keep crying and crying for a PG upgrade but where exactly is it going to come from?

    We're not getting Calderon and for the last time: Devin Harris is NOT a free agent. There's little chance of us striking gold at the end of the first round of the draft too. That pretty much leaves upgrading via a trade as our only suitable option.

    Who's even out there that's a realistic option?

    Andre Miller? Okay, i'll admit that i'm interested too. At what price, though? He has a ton of value to Philly as both their leader and a $10 million dollar expiring contract. Any offering for him would likely be worth more than we can give.

    Kirk Hinrich? He's owed something like $8-10 million over the next four years. His numbers nose-dived this year too. I'm interested since he's still relatively young and he's a big, tough defensive combo guard that can defend both PG's and SG's. He would be a good fit for this team, but again: at what price?

    Who's left?

    Guys like Mo Williams, Ray Felton and other expensive and shaky fits along those lines?

    Good, passing PG's are so hard to come by. It truly is the toughest position to fill and find solid players. It's precisely why teams like the Atlanta Hawks and others will always be kicking themselves for passing on franchise PG's for dime-a-dozen scoring forwards and what not.
     

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