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We need a passing PG.....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. jopatmc

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    Ridnour is an interesting case. There's no doubt in my mind that he could flourish offensively under Adelman. The guy has a great assist/turnover ratio playing on a crap team. However, I can't figure out where his head is. He has shown zero leadership ability and I think he should have been one of the leaders on those Sonic teams. He ACTS as if he wants out of Seattle, which is a little surprising since he is from the northwest. I like his offensive potential under Adelman. His defense scares me to death though. It is nonexistent.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    Nah, I would take him back but not sure Morey or the Rockets want him, or that he even wants to come back....

    I believe he is happy over there.

    DD
     
  3. HillBoy

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    And that's the big question about him: does he want to dedicate himself to become that defensive player? If the answer is yes, then he would be a nice player to take a chance on.
     
  4. hooroo

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    Delonte West and Daniel Gibson are both restricted free agents. Cavs will be over LT without making any moves.

    Gibson was handpicked by LeBron so he might be the one they keep if they let go one of them.

    West was drafted by Boston in 2004. So he could be a Daryl Morey guy.
     
  5. GATER

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    First and foremost and drop-dead fact. Tim Duncan erases the need for the Spurs to take any risks. Hell, Duncan's presence has allowed the Spurs to have gotten rid of players that the Rockets would have (and did) covet. Malik Rose (Chuck Hayes before there was a Chuck Hayes), Hedo Turkoglu, Beno Udrih to name only a few.

    Now, I LOVE Yao Ming. Wouldn't trade him for anything. But Duncan's presence on court dwarf's Yao's in every aspect other than free throws. Unless you somehow envison Yao as neutralizing Duncan's presence...and SOON...the door should remain open for risks.

    Secondly, you can't in your right mind tells us that the Mavs haven't taken risks under Mark Cuban. You have absolutely nothing to stand on there. Do the names Antoine Walker and Raef LaFrentz mean anything? How about Juwan part I or Jason Kidd?

    The Hornets haven't taken a risk? Do you remember how injured and old Peja looked in recent seasons? Or, how badly Tyson Chandler USED to play? Do you recall that the Bulls valued Chandler so little they traded him away for the ancient PJ Brown and a player they cut JR Smith. And the Bulls did that so they could sign Ben Wallace.

    I don't think that Daryl Morey will take any risks. But to say that he shouldn't based upon the current conditions of the Spurs, Mavs and Hornets is just inaccurate at the very best.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Uhhh...taking a chance is not the same as taking a risk....Hillboy is talking about knuckleheads.....not trying to find players that might fit better here.

    I think you missed the point.

    DD
     
  7. GATER

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    No..I don't think I did.

    First, you (and possibly he) think the Rockets are a lot closer than they actually are to the WC Elites.

    Secondly, Dennis Rodman was a knucklehead. If he were still in his prime would you want him? Cuttino is a knucklehead...start a thread about bringing him back and watch the responses. Francis is a certifiable knucklehead. And he still has fans here up the wazzoo that think he's going to magically get well and bring a championship.

    The NBA is loaded with knuckleheads. That doesn't equate in every instance to a lack of talent. Nor does it equate to immediate and inevitable risk.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    I do believe the Rockets are close to the WC elites, you know how I know I am right?

    I look at their records, and I see a team that is without it's best player being within 3 games of the top spot in the entire conference.

    This is not fools gold you are what your record says you are......the Rockets are VERY close....

    Not every team is a complete team, but they have enough to win it all and to mask their deficiencies.

    I know you think they are miles away athletically and we have some pieces that you believe don't work.

    I just happen to think you are 100% wrong about some of those pieces particularly Battier....

    And I think you have to take some risk but there are some not worth taking...again the guys you mentioned that are currently available are not close to being as Knuckleheadish as Artest....not even in the same ball park.

    Rodman is a waste of server space, he is not available.....Cuttino a Knucklehead? Not anymore....

    Artest is a huge chemistry risk.....pass...

    DD
     
  9. pippendagimp

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    No idea how possible it would be, but I'd like to get Roger Mason from the Wizards to man our PG next season...
     
  10. ind0fo0

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    look- in any other decade, sure. these rockets would be contenders..

    the west is better than it probably has ever been.

    now more than ever, we must pick up a 3rd significant talent (ie- ron artest)
    not only would that give us a 2nd or 3rd option when tmac has streaky shooting, but it allows tmac and yao to get more rest time on the bench. i think that playing these peak players 40 mins a game is def. not gonna help our cause. we need a legit 3rd scorer and a "passing first PG".

    knucklehead or not, ron artest has [​IMG]

    exactly what this team needs.
     
  11. ColomboLQ

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    Memphis seems to have an over abundance of PGs on their roster. Conley, Crittenton, Lowry, Navarro.
     
  12. pmac

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    wow, I just came back to this thread (my internet was down) to find DD and some others pretty much agreeing with me...

    Tmac is the rockets' playmaker and pretty much always plays PG in the offense (he's been this type of player forever and it's really his best skill, even better than his scoring). It would be great if we had 2 great playmakers like him and a good PG but you can still be really productive with a good small SG.

    I think Morey knows that because it would free them up to aquire help in other problem areas like atheleticism on the wings and a backup center.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Just replace Rafer...that is all we need....if Tmac has to run the point...big deal.

    2 penetrating player, they do not have to be labled.....but they have to be able to penetrate, shoot and create.

    DD
     
  14. hooroo

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    He's a restricted free agent but if the Wiz give Arenas a contract starting at $15m then their team salary would be around $66m. LT would be around $70m. Leaving around $4m left to spend on Jamison not including the $1m their first round draft pick will take. That is if LT matters to them.
     
  15. hooroo

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    http://www.examiner.com/a-1304396~How_Mason_found_his_jumper.html
     
  16. saleem

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    The only way I see them trading Lowry and possibly Navarro is if we can pick a player in the draft for them and package a player along with it. Lowry is all right,but I would to see Navarro as a combo guard on our team but not at the expense of Scola,Landry,Brooks. I don't see them giving up Conley or Crittenton.
    I feel Navarro will be hard to obtain as well.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Hooroo,

    I believe Mason is an unrestricted Free Agent.

    He might be interesting

    Especially if you believe Brooks is going to be a real contributor.

    DD
     
  18. pmac

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    by definition, you're looking for two GUARDS to play in the backcourt. ;)

    Honestly i think most teams really play 3 guards. Tmac is a player who is good enough to play 1-3 but he is really a SF who has been playing out of position his whole career. Battier is a straight up SF who is good enough defensively to guard 2-4 so the rockets playmaking deficiencies are more evident. Rafer just isn't a good enough basketball player to help us.

    With us essentially playing 2 SF's I think we end up being solid with interior defense and rebounding because them boxing out makes a bigger difference than people acknowlege but we can afford to play a guy who shoots well and creates while conceding something on D.
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    I really hope Morey's got him on his radar. I don't know if he could start 82 for us, but we could definitely use him in the rotation. He's a heady player with a dead-eye jumper who takes care of the ball, finds the open man, and is versatile on defense. Not so sure about his ability to break down the defense off the dribble on his own, but unlike our other current group of guards he WILL knock down all the open looks that Yao & Tmac create. Plus with his size we could probably use him for stretches along with Brooks in the backcourt simulaneously.
     
  20. hooroo

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    They'll be in good position to draft Eric Gordon. If they do they might just let Navarro go for nothing. He's 27 and his Euro contract cost him around $5m out of his own pocket. Grizz have him on a one year deal for around half a million.
     

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