We have to trade Sengun

I hate to break it to you, but the odds of all those guys being around within the next 2-4 years is basically 0%....

 

Where do you expect him to rank all time when he's retired? Or what would you say is his median outcome

 

I'm sorry, beyond the points and the efficiency, what else did you want from a 1st option scorer? Like I said, more 40 pt HIGH EFFICIENCY games than Sengun, with ease.

 

I can see Tari gone - always injured

green gone - didn’t live up to expectations

 

jalen's efficiency sucks, he's been 7% below the league the last 2 years

 

"With Ease" LOL

 

Where's the "efficiency"? He averaged fewer points than Sengun this season, at a much lower FG % and TS %. There's also rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, you know, the whole thing. Not to mention advanced stats.

We have been over this with you many times before. You always revert to looking at POINTS ONLY. Now you are claiming efficiency. Which is not an argument you can win, when objectively looking at data and facts.

I hate these "Rockets player vs. Rockets player" discussions, but since you started it...



You understand that if he had more 40+ games, but averages fewer points, this means he has been wildly inconsistent...right? Right?

 

Among Rockets players?

Second behind Hakeem.

Median outcome is a guy who makes the all-star team several times, helps carry his team to the playoffs, and gets close to averaging a triple double in his prime (barring injuries, of course).

 

no no, i mean historically, where do you think he will rank? What you listed is also nowhere close to harden (obviously).

What do you think his high end outcome historically is? median outcome?

 

Not sure what you mean - you asked me where he would rank among Rockets players in history, when it will all be said and done, and I said second behind Hakeem.

Harden had some incredible years of statistical output, but we know we didn't get there.

I think that we can get there with Alpi and the current young core and additional assets in a few years. And that will lead to him being ranked above Harden in Rockets history when it will all be said and done.

High end outcome personally is league MVP and finals MVP. He is that good. It's not a given, but he has the potential.

Ex-players like JJ Redick agree that he will be an MVP candidate.

 

I beleive he will be firmly #2 behind Hakeem. I expect him to win a few MVP's and finals MVP's before his career is done. He will never surpass Hakleem though, who I think and has been objectvely proven (see below) to be the GOAT.

https://hickamsdictum.com/the-g-o-a-t-who-is-the-best-basketball-player-of-all-time-e43c7e53a9a7

 

Harden has almost never had the chance of being Finals MVP.....basketball reasons.

 

A few mvps would likely put him top 10 all time, in the hakeem/duncan/garnett group and above the curry/kobe level

 

Ya there's a probably 99% chance he will be on much better teams than Harden was. Harden only played 2 seasons or so where he had another top 20 player, it's remarkable how good he made the rockets for all those years. Harden is around the 30th best player ever, i would be stunned if sengun gets there as i don't see a path for it, but hopefully you're right!!

This goes without saying but winning a title will be much easier for sengun also, he will never face anyone close to the KD warriors teams

 

Well, look how the expectations have shifted already.

From "giving the Rockets props for making the decision to bench him for Bruno Fernando early" to "he is lucky to be on a much better team than Harden, so winning championships will be so much easier".

lol

 

ya i definitely never said to bench him for bruno, that was absurd. You were talking about playoff stuff when comparing him to harden, so having a way way way easier path is pretty important

 

But when he is going to be a Top 5 MVP candidate your take is toast.

 

He might not run into Vintage Worriers but he will run into 9 or 10 teams in the West are about the same as the Rockets......every team would be scraping by.....

I think the West will be a lot more balaced but at the same time cruel.

 

Yes, all of those teams will be trash compared to the teams harden had to go through