IMO, i don't think an NFL Arena should be a family atmosphere. If you don't want your kid to hear that stuff, don't take him/her to the game. Or explain before the game the there will be drunken idiots that paid 8 dollars for their beer and they will be chanting bull**** and other profanities, and that cursing is bad and it will not be tolerated in your family. If someone thinks what the fans are screaming are aweful, i wish they could hear what the players are saying on the field.
I gotta side with Rocket G on this one. Sure, you should try to be as respectful as possible, but whats wrong with "suck" and "ass"??? Every 1st grader in the country has those words stored away in their vocabulary. Its an NFL football game and hearing fans yell stuff is part of the experience. If you dont know this going into it, then you shouldnt be going at all. And if you do go, then you shouldnt be upset about what may result. If you cant use "suck" and "ass", what are you supposed to do?? "Hey Jimmy Smith, you are playing poorly!!!" "Hey Leftwich, you arent good!!!" Yeah, that makes it real fun.
I too side with Rocket G on this one, simply because every valid scenerio he's pointing out is being ignored. If "ass" "suck" and "b****es" were all they were yelling, while there were two groups around the woman and her child aswell, yelling WORT obsceneties. Then singling them out like that, was pretty damn snooty, opportunistic and hypocritical. If I were so worry about the things said around my child at a professional sporting event, where three groups were yelling obsceneties. I'd give a little more attention to the ones being extreme with their vulgarity, and not the TWO who's vulgarity extends to "suck", "ass" and "b****es". Which is spread healthly throughout our primetime channels, some cartoons, and public schools from elementary and up. Secondly, I'd hesitate to be so holy to point out fingers at people, if I were the one that brought my 4yr old child to an NFL game that dubbed "don't want to meet yo mama/just wanna make ya cumma" over the sound system while women in skimpy wear gyrated around and as pointed out, "bent over" to the words. Not to mention, utter vulgarity, sexuality, violence and profanity, is all over an NFL game. The players basically display a form of violence everytime they crouch to their toes and focus on the most brutal way to stop their opponent. They also speak in a vulgar tongue, and the sport also promotes sex, hence the cheerleaders and the.. 'song'.. If you see any NFL commercial, promotion, it's literally calling out to the rowdy fans to be part of an 'intense' environment, hyped and exhuberant in cheers the likes of "kill the other team!", while enjoying the sights and sounds of men smashing their heads on one another, in bone crushing onslaughts. And the glamoring elure of skimpy dressed women dancing for the pleasure of the men in the audience to 'music'.. the likes of "dont wanna meet your mamma, just wanna meet your cumma"... While enjoying a good brew.. Indeed.. A place that merits respect and civility.. Tis no place for words such as "sucks", "ass" and "b****es"..
I agree. You are in the nose bleed section anyway. Players on the field can't hear you. You could at least get closer seats to heckle.
Without being there, its a little hard to say who was acting like what... But I gotta say, I've been to two Texans games this season, and one of the Astros/Braves playoff games last month, and both were incredibly intense and awesome experiences. Loud. Exciting. Probably some of the greatest live game experiences I've ever been in. And I never once had to call anyone some 'b****es.' And neither did any of the people around me, who were still having fun screaming their lungs out. In fact, the only thing that was close was some drunk older lady who was screaming like crazy during the Texans-San Diego game; stuff like "You stupid sons of b**ches, you f***ing suck, are you f***ing blind?', etc. etc. I think she may have thrown out a "c*******er" or two as well. I think everyone else was just embarrassed she was one of our fans.
Count me among your supporters, RocketG. I do think you could have handled it differently, because telling her to go get security was a veiled/passive "what are you gonna do about it" threat, but I still think what she did was even sillier. Personally, I would have just ignored her. That said, I hear you. She should have known better and thought to do something along the lines of redgoose's suggestion to "....explain before the game that there will be drunken idiots that paid 8 dollars for their beer and they will be chanting bull**** and other profanities, and that cursing is bad and it will not be tolerated in your family." And Rashmon, I agree with you here: Look, most of us can cuss like sailors, but should be respectful of our surroundings. But absolutely not here: Wait till you're sitting in the nosebleeds and you have to explain to your 4 year old that the "non-drunk-fan-caught-up-in-the-moment-of-the-game" shouting obscenities (albeit not too bad obscenities) is not being appropriate. Then feel like a schmuck when you have to punish your kid the next day for using the words he learned from the "non-drunk-fan-caught-up-in-the-moment-of-the-game" shouting obscenities. Take redgooses suggestion from above and you've done your job as a parent in this instance. I wouldn't hold a kid responsible for the actions of others, and I certainly wouldn't feel bad for punishing a kid for repeating profanities if I had presented the situation a la redgoose's suggestion. To assume that someone's virgin ears will remain so while attending anything that incites passion and excitement, i.e. a professional sporting event is naive and just plain silly.
Maybe cursing isn't socially accepted my a few (or many in this thread in this case), but saying the guy was wrong for offending a woman with a child is simply inappropriate and irrelevant. I understand when y'all say 'wait until you have kids,' but the argument that the parent has to understand where she is taking her child under what circumstances is quite valid. Yes, people find harsh words offending, some more than others and there's no problem with that. It may show weakness in the character in those who use bad words, but I don't understand how anyone can expect a professional football game to be absolutely family friendly. The question I pose is for the woman; if she was offended, why did she 'sink down to your level' (no offense) and 'b****' at you? Why didn't she do the smart thing for her kid and just move from the area if it was so harmful? I understand the fact that the kid and mother have the same right to enjoy a game as the rowdy fans do, but I don't see how anyone can make such one-sided views without being there and seeing what factually happened. I'm a strong believer in specified 'family' area where no alcohol is sold as is done in some baseball parks. Personally, I didn't want children at professional baseball games (from a business standpoint) up until a while ago, basically because attention spans are very low and more adults would buy more things such as expensive beer. My views had a lot to do with that fan at the Rangers game a few months ago who was portrayed as evil for 'stealing things from kids' and 'hurting children.' As I said, I think just have specified sections would be a hell of a lot better and would maximize profits even further.
Heh, I think in the 12 or so games I've worked at so far, I've only gotten two complaint of someone "being too loud" or "shouting obscenities" What I've done in these cases, for the "being too loud" complaint, I explained to the woman that..."well, this is what happens at football games. You're welcome to go to guest services, and request a seat change if available. There's nothign we can do about it unless the shouting is directed at you or you are being talked to in a vulgar manner." As for the shouting obscenities thing, all we can do really is give a warning, and that's not going to stop them. This case though, went above the normal yelling and screaming, and the guy started directing his comments at people in the crowd, and that's when he got the warning. He continued, and I went and got security because he was being an ******* and I had told him he would be removed if he didn't stop. What a fun job...although I know one day I'm going to get a Bud Light shower.
As someone with children, I say that I'm not fond of drunken fans screaming obscenities when I take my kids to a game. But my two (soon to be three) rugrats understand that ocasionally, Daddy slips and says several of those "naughty" words, but that they should not say them lest they find a bar of Ivory in their mouths (which I've done once to my soon for saying ass). They are savy enough to understand that yes, profanity is a part of the world, but as my children, it should not of their world. Even if I'm with my buddies at a game, I try not to curse (hard as it is) when children are present. The worst thing that'll pass by my lips is a "gosh-darnit" or "dadgum." Just keep that in my mind and you don't have to worry about possibly be thrown out of a game or just simply being one of those rude bastards (not that I'm saying you and your friend were rude) that every one complains about.
Rocket G, I am thinking you were in the wrong on this one. Just because another group was yelling "questionable language,", you think that it is ok for you to? That is not good logic. Several posters have pointed out how you were in the wrong, but it seems you are determined to justify your actions. I take my girl's kids to games sometimes and whenever a fan has used "b****es" or "ass" or whatever, they have all quickly turned around and apologized telling me they lost their head for a bit and usually it doesn't happen again. I get into the game and yell into my throat is sore, but I am not going to start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs. I am trying to have a good time, but at the same time respect everyone around me. I have season tickets so I have to see these people every week, lol. I just think that a game is a public place where you can have a good time. But just like going to the zoo, a festival, or anything else public and not specifically adult, you have to watch how you behave and what you say. Doesn't matter if you are in the nosebleeds or in the front row at the 50. The Texans even have that in their code of conduct. So are the Texans wrong for finding such behaviour wrong?
What makes you think baseball is any better? And besides sports teams in general (whether it be football, baseball or basketball) try to create a fan-friendly, family atmosphere. See they have this thing where families and kids bring in extra $$$ and $$$ is good for teams.
So because someone else does it.....it made it alright. If they had not done it and you did....is it still alright???
Jesus, I didn't say that what the other groups did JUSTIFIED what I did. I honestly do not believe we crossed the line except for yelling out "Scoreboard, b****es!" that one time. I normally don't go around screaming out obscenities in public, but when it comes to pro sports games live, I understand that people will invariably let them fly. That's fine - it's a pro sports game, not a church tea party. My point was that this lady was confronted with two groups being VERY vulgar & b/c she thought they looked scary, turned to b**** at us. That's bull****. She shoulda gotten an usher instead and had the guts to speak out against the bigger groups, not just the two of us. I personally don't have a problem with what those two other groups were yelling though, like I said. I know what I'm getting into when I go to such a game, and I if I had a kid I'd just explain to them that the language those people are using is inappropriate & vulgar, and that they are not to use it. If they do use those words themselves, they will be punished. How the hell do people explain the violent animations & yells, the blatant sexual songs/imagery , and the various chants of "bull****" etc, that the crowd starts up? NONE of you have answered that yet. Just my opinion. Some of you better thank God that you don't live up north or anywhere with a team that has a real rabid following. You would never be able to attend a game there. I'd like to see some of you act holier-than-thou at a Yankees game or an Eagles game, where the entire stadium is chanting "asssssshooollleee" altogether. You and your kid would get stomped like narcs at a biker rally. Take some responsibility parenting & quit blaming the people around you if your kid ends up repeating those words they hear or doing something stupid. Your kid is gonna be exposed to bad language, & questionable situations - it's up to you to make sure that they know what's is wrong and what they shouldn't do.
Live Professional Football games are NOT in any way appropriate for Young children. It is a game of brutality and half naked wowen dancing on the field. Leave the church morals at the gate before U enter. If you are offended with bad language DO NOT GO. If you have not noticed they LOWERED the Drinking time at the games to 10:00 am just so people can get drunk earlier and become more rowdy.
Well, the Texans and the NFL feel 100% different. They want families in the stands. Do you think they are selling most of that cotton candy to adults? I am surprised at the number of people who feel that there is no room for morals at a professional football game. But I do feel it is more of a case of people trying to justify their actions at all costs. Trying to tie it into a "gang mentality". I have season tix, and there has been no profanity outloud in my section all season and preseason. The most harsh thing I have heard is a 'damn'. The idea that going to a football game has to invlolve bad language is absurd and something the Texans don't want.
