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We got to call out the refs and flopper Mavs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by canoner2002, Apr 30, 2005.

  1. richirich

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    hey RVPals:

    looking for cannon fodder:

    Vin Baker is listed on the roster. He would seem to be big enough to do some work, yet not really missed if ejected.

    :D

    JVG seems to be way too clean in a Carroll Dawson run environment to pull some of his old Knicks cr@p....
     
  2. TheRaven

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    Like my old coach once told me, "Never put yourself in a position for the officials to beat you. If it can happen, it will."
    The Rockets had games 3 and 4 won and lost their cool. The referees knew it and there went any benefit of a doubt. Once that happens, tie goes to who's playing the better ball.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    If Dirk is going to flop, they need to HAMMER him hard on a couple of his trips across the lane.

    Put Deke in there to crush him with a couple of hard fouls...he will fold like the woman that he is....

    DD
     
  4. Gatorfan76

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    Now that ESPN replayed it in slow motion--we got majorly screwed at one of the final plays when Jason Terry knocked the ball out of T-Mac's hands and the Mavs got the ball. The last touch was definitely on Terry--that should have been Rox ball...:(
     
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  6. Man

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    Some of you are not making sense..

    But yes I hope something happens :)..not like dirty or flagrant stuff..just some protests or something and to make more people aware how unfair officiating is and how big of a flopper dirk is lol
     
  7. MLittle577

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    The fouls I REALLY REALLY hate is the offensive fouls Yao gets while Dirk is calling him. Yao does nothing different than when he's trying to post Dampier, but when Dirk gets on him, it's magically an offensive.

    The rest I can probably live with, but the Mavs should be able to be exposed when we have an obvious advantage like Dirk on Yao, but the refs seem to blow the whistle.
     
  8. rvpals

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    I am not for violence at all.

    It's just we've been on the receiving end of a lot of hard fouls and we need to dish out some punishment to these Mavs.

    Since our complaining is not heard, and the refs are not doing nothing about it, we need to do something drastic to force these refs to react and at least call the game fairly.

    IMO, if the game is refereed fairly, we would have sweep the ****ing Mavs by now.
     
  9. New Jack

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    What Yao has to learn is that he does not have to use the same amount of force on Dirk as he does on Dampier. He has to be able to distinguish when he's got a 270 lbs. center on him that's as strong as an ox (Dampier), and when he's got a skinny small forward on him that is a great flopper (Dirk).
     
  10. dragonsnake

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    Steve Nash Vs. Dallas Mavericks? Is it NBA's dream match up? I try not think this way, but I just cannot help.
     
  11. MLittle577

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    It's the paint, where the big boys play, if you're not a big boy, don't come down there. His advantage is that he's bigger than him, so you punish him for being on you. If you finese up, then you're playing into his hands, where he can make you take a lower percentage shot.

    Shaq runs over whoever is down there, REGARDLESS, but they seem to give him the benefit of the doubt, sometimes, well at least more than Yao.

    I dunno, this league is getting awfully pussified, Shaq and Yao are at the end of a lot of bad calls that they can do nothing about.
     
  12. rm365

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    well, when the leading mvp candidate according to the media(Steve Nash) has drop attack seizures whenever someone grazes him as they pass by, you know the league is getting pussified.
     
  13. KeepKenny

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    I'd love to see a highlight reel with all these bad calls, complete with a Dallas play and how it's reffed, and then the BS call they give us. For example, Henderson moving screen not called, followed by Deke getting plowed through and getting called for it. It's probably too painful to compile a video of complete injustices, so I don't blame anybody for not making such a thing.

    Dirk will never win a championship, no matter how many highly paid all stars you surround him with. He's a perimeter player who relies on too many calls. When he faces a 'favored' team, he won't get so many calls. Ask yourself if his flop against Yao would have been called on Duncan, KG. or even Amare (who i'd love to see Dirk try to guard, next year). Mavs could have had Shaq surrounded by all those shooters, and maybe Nash, and they passed up on it for Dirk. Good luck with that, Cuban.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm saying you have no choice but to let the refs do whatever the refs do. You can whine about it if you want, but the better solution would be to hope our players put the game out of reach, so that one or two bad calls won't mean the game.

    I'm not saying there aren't bad calls. Just that you, Pippendagimp, and others often see things through Rockets colored glasses. I do too. I dont' mind that. But every team in the league and their fans feel the exact same way. Lakers fans actually believe that Kobe doesn't get all the calls he deserves. Heat fans feel the same about Shaq.

    We all know that isn't true, but they will say that is the case until they are blue in the face. The fact is when fouls that are small and in your favor, you dont' notice them and think the game is being called your way. But when they are small and bad calls against you, it is travesty, and a conspiracy. If you were the fan of the opposing team, it would be the exact opposite.

    Anyway The refs only can cost a team the game if they let it. If the Rockets don't allow 20 - 0 runs by the other team, or build their own lead to 20 the refs bad calls don't make a difference.

    Someone else said it best, if you put yourself in a position to let the refs blow the game for you, it can happen. Whining about the refs won't do as much good as not putting your team in that same position.
     
  15. ivanyy2000

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    If Rox were against Hawks, Hornets or Knicks, yeah, we need put the game out of reach no matter how refs are calling it.

    But Mavs are not Hawks, Hornets or Knicks. These two teams are so evenly macthced that one lose ball, one foul or one call could make a huge difference. See Terry's crutch shot last night. It was a random lose ball. In third quarter last night, just when Yao played aggressive, blocked several shots, made a huge difference on defense end and we were ready to distance ourselves with Mavs, he was called a weak moving screen on offense end, was it huge?

    That is why I don't buy your logic.
     
  16. real_egal

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    I agree. You can't just compare the foul numbers. But you also have to take into consideration about the timing and the player those refs are calling against. Be Yao's own fault or ref's, Yao was definitely limited and threw out of rhythm. Not just once, but twice, the momentum was totally killed, same thing happened in game 3, where a 3 points play was overruled, and ended up with 0 points and Mavs' run. Timing is everything.

    Now, let's come back to the high road. Nowadays, high road is not recommanded, and it's not advocated by the media or any main stream. No matter it's sport or business school. Your only goal is to get the job done, noone is questioning you how and what you do. You can say no to 100k indecent money, I wonder how many can say no to 10 million. You just try every trick to help you to achieve what you want. If you want to be good, you only need to avoid criminal act. A couple of "dirty" tricks to defend yourself? After you succeed, nobody will care. If you want to be elegant and act noble? You only need to give props to opponents after you beat them. You want to become the modest new model team player? You only need to say that I thank everybody for their help, this MVP trophy belongs to the whole team, our team is the MVP. How you got there? Nobody cares. Did you really do anything bad? I don't think so, maybe just a couple of tricks not that noble. But "noble" has no market here.
     
  17. RocketForever

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    In every more popular NBA basketball bbs on the net, there is a heated debate on the refereeing in this Rockets Mavs series going on.
     
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    so you're saying every game in nba history has been perfectly evenly reffed and it's just fan-colored glasses that make it seem otherwise? ok.



    and the solution of not putting yourself in that position is stupid. that's just saying "hey, score more and give up less" as if you just wish it and it happens. you can only control what you do on the court. when outside people screw you up, what are you supposed to do, magically hit a 3 pointer that you missed? the other team doesn't have to.
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    Whoa.....I don't even post in the GARM "often." I've been averaging like 2 posts a week ever since we finally got rid of Francis and I've been pretty much happy with the team and everything in Rocketsville. Even throughout the year while Yao has been getting these BS calls I haven't made too big a fuss about it. Even last nite while watching the Nugs/Spers game I noticed that San Antonio was getting every questionable call on Denver's home court! So it's not like I or other posters here don't recognize that a lot of teams and a lot of players get bad calls and probably often.

    However, when Yao is officiated out of 3 of the first 4 playoff games, I'm not gonna sit back, as you have suggested, and think to myself that we should have just been up by 20 in each of these games so that refs could not have made an impact. Taking out a team's star center who commands customary double and triple defensive coverage out of the game at several junctures and in several games in a series on questionable and incorrect calls is not something that happens "often." Frankly, I don't think that I or other posters here have gone overboard with simply discussing the issue here.
     
  20. RIET

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    I agree with this 100%. If he goes to the line 10 times anyways, slap him hard.

    It's ridiculous he gets so many phantom calls. The foul on Yao was just another acting job.

    Make him bleed and he'll stop his sh*t.
     

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