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We got to call out the refs and flopper Mavs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by canoner2002, Apr 30, 2005.

  1. Man

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    Officiating is ridiculous..it would be cool if someone actually made an automated program to e-mail them..is that legal?
     
  2. MONON

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    I don't know what everyone's upset about. The home team has lost each game & Dallas still has 2 more home games. Therefore we win 2 more times & win the series!! :D
     
  3. pippendagimp

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    No we didn't.
     
  4. canoner2002

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    It is not where our focus should be, but it IS what is beating us RIGHT NOW. Every factor matters, so don't preaching that "we weren't perfect either" cliche. It is simple as this: we would have won if the game were called fairly. And it is not like today was our turn to get the bad end of the stick, we got ripped 8 out of 10 times, if not 10 out of 10.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    Really? At what point did that change? We did have a FT advantage late in the second half.
     
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    That is because we attack the basket a lot more. Check points in the paint. The key is refs are taking Yao out of the game but protect Dirk as if he were new Pope.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I don't buy that. I think the calls mostly went about even. I think as Rockets fans we notice the ones that are questionable in the Mavs favor more.

    That isn't why we lost tonight. Not boxing out Dampier on a put back, a couple of costly TO's, poor shooting by James, a lucky bounce for the Mavs, and deadly shooting from Jason Terry are we lost tonight.

    Those are also all things the Rockets have a better chance of correcting next game.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Actually I was wrong. They shot 1 more ft than us.
     
  9. canoner2002

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    There are many ways we could have won the game, including what you suggested above. But had the refs not making that 4th call on Yao, or had they made a call when Dirk slapped Yao to get the ball lose with 1 minute to play, we would have won.

    What you are saying is like telling those who are mistreated by the society "you can do this and that to help yourselves so stop blaming the society". Sure, why don't you make a fair play ground first?
     
  10. pippendagimp

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    They shot more FT's, but that is not even the main point. Our 2nd best player and only real post player and hence the engine for our offense was sitting on the bench half the game because everytime he started eating up Dallas' interior defense, the officials would ring him up for another bogus call. This is why we could not get any offensive rhythm this entire game by establishing our postgame, hence our role players could not get open looks (notice none of them even scored in double figures), and probably most notably TMac was forced to carry the offensive load by himself for 3.5 quarters and simply ran out of gas to close the game out.

    Talking about this call and that call there and FT stats is is a moot point. The bottomline is that Yao was removed for half the game because of consistently BS calls made at every point in the game when Yao was beginning to punish the Mavs' interior D. It's one thing if Dampier eats up Yao on the boards or goes for 25 on him. It's one thing if Yao just plays like crap on both ends and we deserve to lose. But in a game of this magnitude you cannot just take a player of Yao's caliber out of the game at so many different junctures during the game on questionable and outright incorrect calls. Well I guess they can because they did. But what I'm trying to say is that unless they are stupid, blind, rigged, or racist, they shouldn't.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Yao did set a moving pick. Yao was also slapped by Dirk. That was a call that should have gone the Rockets way, but Yao got away with other moving picks in the game too.

    My point isn't that the refs didn't get the calls right. The refs didn't get the calls right both ways. In the end it usually is pretty even. If not in this game then maybe the next one. There are a lot of missed/bad calls throughout the course of a series. I don't mind complaining about them, and when I'm watching the game, I yell and scream and get really angry. But in the end it isn't what wins or loses, and there is no point worrying about it, since there are a lot of things in the team's control, and that isn't one of them.
     
  12. Zboy

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    Rick Adelman is sending tape to NBA . He is irate at all the flopping done my Sonics.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2005/news/story?id=2050817

    IMO, JVG and les Alexander need to do the same about Dirk's flopping and Yao being treated unfairly. JVG likes to take the high road but in a series as close as this, he has to stand up for fairness. JVG needs to swallow his pride and stand up for his team.
     
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    in the course of an nba season, and now the playoffs, getting away with some picks where you move a little bit, while getting buried in **** with ticky tack foul calls and no calls on your defender is not even. not by a long-shot.
     
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    In 3 out of 4 games now, Yao has been wasting away on the bench for significant minutes. Dallas has a deep bench with a bunch of players whose skills overlap. We only have one Yao. Yao is integral to our offense and defense sets. Missed calls by the refs on both sides fu$ks up us A LOT worse than it does the Mavs. Avery doesn't care if Dampier fouls out on bad calls. Other than Game 2, Yao hasn't even been able to get into this series. And his solace is that both teams have been getting bad calls? :confused:
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    The bad calls might affect us more, because we can't afford to lose Yao as much as the mavs can afford to sit their players, but that doesn't mean that there have been more unfair calls one way or the other over the course of the entire series.

    It comes down to a problem of our depth. But that being said, I hope there aren't more bad calls, and Yao is able to stay in the game for more of it in all our next ones.
     
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    I wish the Rockets would do the same and do it quickly.
    Its a league wide problem that needs to be addressed immediately. Also referees anticipate too many calls before the play actually happens and then they somehow miss all of the abuse that some players take..
     
  17. Darmonx

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    Ummm.. no.

    Imagine if that was Dirk holding the ball and Bowen slaps the ball from underneath...

    Whistle! Foul! Free throws Dallas!

    Sorry... but that's how I see it. The calls are not even for this series.
     
  18. Darmonx

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    Check page 1 of this thread. I have a breakdown there of the Fouls called and Free throws awarded. Dallas had one more free throw than the Houston in game 4... 34 more for the series... Average of 8.5 free throws more per game.
     
  19. pippendagimp

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    I disagree that it's just a problem of our depth. No player in the NBA gets the kind of calls/no-calls that Yao does. They may get them every once in a while or even more than a few in one particular game. But no NBA player gets the questionable or outright incorrect ones that Yao gets on such a consistent basis over an entire season and postseason. And I have the utmost confidence that you know exactly what kind of calls I am referring to. Because I know that just like Yao, JVG, Gene Peterson, Bill Worrell, the other BBS members here, me myself and I, that you sport the same eye-rolling head-scratching look of inconveivable bewilderment everytime Yao gets one of these calls. The look is sort of like this: :confused:
     
  20. canoner2002

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    So what are you saying? We should just let refs screw up Yao's game night in night out and blame ourselves that we don't have another Yao? Or let them make a couple of bad calls on Yao every game and then have a couple of makeup calls on scrubs like Daniel or Harris? Why cannot they take Dirk out of the game and have makeup calls on Bowen and Paghette? I will be cool with that.
     

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