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We can win w/out Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by finalsbound, Dec 31, 2006.

  1. Manun

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    T-mac can create his own shots, he can change the game cause he has the ball all the time. Yao on the other hand has to rely on ALston and the others to make their open shots... u know the rest.
     
  2. Yun

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    It has been three years and people are still labeled as such YOF, YOH and now MOF, MOH too?

    If the rocket cannot win without T mac or Yao, the rocket will never win another championship. The supporting players must be good too.
    The rocket need both Yao and T mac to be able to win the title.
    In the time like this, when your best center is down with a broken bone and your another best player is still struggling with back injury, I see no point of arguing if the Yaoless or Tmacless team are better. Both team are nothing comparing to Yao-Tmac team.Let's root for them game by game to be able to win so we will have a chance for the playoff.
     
  3. waterflea

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    This is not thread about comparison between Tmac and Yao. They are complementary to, not competing against each other. It is more likely the one between Rafer and Deke+Howard.

    Why Tmac seems so indispensible to the team right now? Because Rafer sucks to pick up his role to pass the ball after Tmac's out while Deke+Howard can do some of Yao's work after Yao's out to keep us not exposed in the paint.

    Therefore, the only answer to this thread, Rafer sucks most and Tmac has no real backup.
     
  4. DrLudicrous

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    But comments calling the thread starter an idiot because they think TMac can lead the team better than Yao are OK? Or how about people calling them a MOF or YOH?

    The term YOF was coined back when he first joined the team, there were definitely people that rooted for him and didn't care about the Rockets. If we won but he didn't get enough shots they would b**** and moan because his teammates were holding him back and demand that he be traded. Fortunately we don't see that anymore, but seeing people get so upset for suggesting TMac could be a better player reeks of YOFdom.
     
  5. RocksMillenium

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    JVG could have run a fast pace game with Yao out there but he's to stubborn and wants to pound the ball in all the time. The Rockets can be effective with just Yao if they ran more.
     
  6. RocksMillenium

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    Who cares if T-Mac or Yao are the better player, this team isn't going anywhere without both of them on the floor.
     
  7. gogorocketsno1

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    thanks for your point - it only stirrs up the old ****.
     
  8. Uprising

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    I've noticed that with Yao not playing, the Rockets have really kept their turnovers down. They have played much better basketball. Obviously, we won't go anywhere with out TMAC and yao healthy, but it's nice to see us winning with TMAC when Yao is out. Something we can't do when TMAC is out.
     
  9. windfern

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    Our Rockets will be playing against some of the best teams in this league this month of January. So we'll see how we perform without Yao by month-end.




    ...and listen to others,
    even the dull and the ignorant;
    they too have their story.
     
  10. DrLudicrous

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    And when did I say one was better than the other?
     
  11. Yetti

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    Be sure you note what I am saying........
    If Yao Ming had to rely on Alson then he would be only average 2points per game. Alston is a reluctant passer to Yao Ming when he is in his scoring position and ready to receive the ball. :p
     
  12. Yetti

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    AS the original member to be called YOF I might say that it is most disgusting for a 23 season Rockets fan to be called YOF. Every fan has a special player or players on his team, mine just happens to be Yao Ming.
    If I was YOF I wouldn't be following the team through every game when Yao is not playing, I can assure that I would be near death if I was to miss a Rockets game. Y :)
     
  13. rayyan

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    WTF are you trying to say?
     
  14. brantonli24

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    how about this as a pacifier?

     
  15. A_3PO

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    It isn't that simple. The more transitions during a game, the faster Yao gets tired and the less effective he is. I also think we should run more when Yao plays, but that would reduce Yao's minutes played and his stats would decline. I actually like that idea. In the playoffs, where each possession can be precious, we could revert back to more of a pure 1/2 court game where Yao would be the focal point of each and every possession.
     
  16. snowmt01

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    Such thread is going to be VERY contraversial. I don't care how long
    OP has been a clutchcity member. You are trolling this board!

    Back to the topic. This team can compete with either Yao or Tmac out
    but will be medicore at best. So far with Yao out, we won some games
    against bad opponents. With Tmac out, we were 2-4 on the road trip
    against WC opponents. Some losses were definitely winnable.

    Rockets needs both stars. As to Yao, when the playoff starts, the game
    will be slowed down and his domination will be critical for our success.
     
  17. wnes

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    Casual comment such as this makes me wonder if you have really watched Rockets games the whole season, or even though you haven't due to other personal commitments, whether you are a Rockets fan who pays any attention to the stats. [Note I could have easily accused you were pulling stuff straight out of your ass, but in the spirit of the New Year I decided not to.]

    So far into this season, the Rockets as a team averages 15.8 turnovers per game. For the last four games where TMac played and Yao did not, the Rockets averaged exactly 16 turnovers per game. By contrast, counting back four games (including the one in double overtime), where Yao played and TMac did not, the Rockets averaged exactly 15 turnovers per game (with or without the Clipper game).

    As to individual comparison, the numbers do NOT favor TMac, either. On the season average, TMac has 3.5 turnovers per game, only slightly better than Yao's 3.8 turnovers per game. However, when you look at the 2 4-game stretches where one played and the other did not, TMac's turnover problem couldn't have been more pronounced. TMac was the leader or co-leader in turnovers (at 5 turnovers per game) in each of the 4 games Yao did not played, and had an atrociously overall 0.75 assist-to-turnover ratio as a playmaker, or "heart and soul" of the team. By contrast, in the absence of TMac, Yao turnover average went down, despite carrying larger share of the load on both offense and defense.
     
    #117 wnes, Jan 1, 2007
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2007
  18. robywang

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    That's some nice analysis based on stats.

     
  19. big11

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    I guess it still take 5 Aggies to change a light bulb!
     
  20. zong

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    The TOF is just stupid, It proves again in the thread.
     

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