We can re-sign Hakeem, & still make the best Webber offers

Yo Since 75,

whatever..
don't come around here dissin Barkley and talkin bout rings.
If you want to fist fight someone, Fine, but dont be talkin shiite bout Chas.

RocKs

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Since75
You ARE an idiot. Charles signed a 1 year minimum contract knowing full well that he could have a career ending injury anytime during that contract, just like what happened the next year. He wasn't guaranteed a makeup year contract. He DID do it for the team so, they could get better. I love Dream but, I would be surprised if he did the same for the team next year. So, next year you tell me who did the best for the team. We will see. You have your opinion and I have mine. Jerk

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damn, I thought the gun control thread was hot and testy! Seems like this thread is more about War! lol

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Sometimes you gotta do the next best thing!

 

OT, why the name calling. I haven't called you an idiot or a jerk but obviously you are a child or an idiot or a jerk. Don't resort to name calling.



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Ya know .... I thought maybe I have been away far long. I thought I may missed some interesting stuff.

1. But guys, I got to tell you .... when a very interesting thread on the Rocket's cap and other implications of possible trades quickly degenerates into yet another Barkley "Love him/Hate him" thread I realized that I probably haven't been missing very much afterall.

2. Anyway, pretty cool outlook on Dream, Dub and Mo. There is actually a way that all three can be signed. The possibilities are scary.

As I posted somewhere lately, I doubt that Dub signs here. I think he will get closer to his requirements elsewhere .... BUT, that being said, if Dream commits to return to prop up the middle for one more year(maybe two), if Mo is signed to at least a four year deal, if Walt and Cato are gone, if CD and RT sign a up-and-coming rook center or trade-off to get a young (2nd or 3rd year) defensive pivotman and Webb is given a better than halfhearted agreement that he will play BOTH the three and the four in a long-term deal .... well, my doubts would vanish overnight.

Man, that is a lot of if's, but .....

Cheers.

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You say that you never question anyone's intelligence out of context. What context were we referring to. How am I unintelligent about the game of basketball because I don't believe that Barkley played for the minimum salary because he's such a selfless guy? That was my only point. Now HeyP you appear to know something about the X's and O's of the game which I admired and thus I directed posts regarding specifics to you. As far as pulling out the trump card as you say, if you read my response, I was actually surprised that you would respond in the manner you did. I don't take the comments or opinions on this board very seriously at all. I do however, feel that I am a fairly decent judge of character and by your writings you appeared to be a fairly intelligent person as I stated before. I now understand that all bets are off when anyone makes a comment that remotely appears contrary to a virtuous Barkley, which is fine. My comment that Barkley fans need to wake up and smell the $hit they're shoveling was nothing more than the comments you yourself and others have said about Dream who is the best player ever to wear a Rockets uniform. I don't think you or any of the other Barkley fans that have responded are the avid Rocket fans that you claim to be, because if you were, you would have the same blinders on about Dream. You don't have those thoughts about Dream but you do for Barkley. That's your right. I respect that, but it appears to be a bit contradictory.

Lastly, HeyP I have directed this response to you primarily because you are probably the more reasonable of all the other posters that have responded. If I'm wrong, I will know by your next post. If you don't respond that is fine as well. I don't need to use this forum to bring out the personality in people like you say you do. I agree that it's a word game and it's fun, but everything you do has to have limits. I will not call people names unless they call me a name. If I offend someone by telling them to wake up, then why not respond in kind, but not with name calling or idiotic responses? Stay on point and make another argument. I haven't heard a credible counter argument to my original position yet. You say that you enjoy a debate HeyP then let's do that. Don't you wimp out on me and say that I'm using the "I'm hurt by your comments" excuse, but you can resort to going for the jugglar as you call it without actually debating with me.



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S75
I calls em as I's sees em. I do take offense when someone says I'm shoveling ****. I noticed you ignored my point about CB's one year contract. And you can't say that I'm not a Dream fan. I think he is the best Rocket that has ever been and I would love for the Rockets to re-sign him. My point was that let's see if he shows the same team consideration as Charles did and sign a 1 year min. contract or if he goes to another team.

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pops-"sign" a rookie center? I assume you mean draft (which will be tough as we'll be in the 12-15 range with our pick, and we lose it to Van. if we make the playoffs), unless you think we can pull a Marc Jackson?

Defensive centers....Maculloch (restricted free agent, I think)? Kandi (trade) possibly?

What about the availability of Ratliff? Would a package for a similarly talented, yet underachieving player in Cato, and a few picks get conversation started?

one more thing on Shandon-What are the odds of him staying put for the option year (at 2.4 mill) and then having Big Bird rights? Or is it pretty certain he'll opt out for some $$ sooner rather than later.

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The Serious Police are watching.
Follow the rules or be assimilated.
Shandon is underrated.

 

Nike,

Even if we lose our pick to Vancouver, we should get Milwaukee's pick & possibly the Orlando pick that they owe us. I doubt Detroit will give us their pick this year, but they'll have to by next year. If we package all three picks & a player or two, we might be able to move into the top 10 or even top 5 with a little luck. We also still have Chicago's #1 pick tied up & might be able to make something happen there.

My best case scenario would be to trade Cato/Walt/the 3 #1's owed to us & release them from their Drew obligation to Chicago for Brand/Miller/this years #1 pick. This way we would keep from tying up so much money in one player (Webber) & have more flexibility to resign our guys & pursue another FA role player. I know this is a reach, but it's fun to dream sometimes.

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Great, our resident schizo is back.

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I'd rather be boinking my wife.

 

Responding to Oeilpere, who said he's been away awhile:

My faith in landing Webber lies in his remarks (off camera) to Craig Sager (TNT/TBS) that if he didn't stay in Sacramento (which is a given, I think) he would prefer to stay in the West, play in a big city on a contender... I know he didn't mean Dallas. We also had a thread here where someone met Steve Francis by chance and asked about getting Webber and Steve mentioned (as he also did on some show-or-other) that he was really going after Webber, that they knew and liked each other from years back, summers together on the court.

I don't discount NY, but I think the Rockets have a longer shelf life than the Knicks.

Anyway, I'm sure Webber's changing his mind on a future favorite team every fifteen minutes or so. But this isn't blind faith on my part. Hope, yes. But realistic hope.

As mentioned in other threads, I like Mo, he's come a long way here, but you get what you pay for. Mo on this team IF WE WERE IN THE EAST is another story.

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I don't know if this would work, but couldn't the Rockets just sign Hakeem to a reasonable contract and possibly sign CWebb to a 1 or 2 year "light" contract and re-sign him after Hakeem is gone???
Only if CWebb would do it......
They want to do a sign-and-trade deal??
Bull. They can't get rid of Moochie, the Bull, and/or Carlos Rogers, well maybe Carlos, but if they get rid of bull, how will they survive with the nonconsistent Walt Williams. Cato could play better, but they should just trade or waive him for more room (just not back to Portland!!!). they might want to cut Mo and then re-sign him for as little as possible if they could.

Damn salary cap!!! Why don't they just change it to a ratings system or something. Too much money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

HeyP, I appreciate your candor. I am not a Barkley hater by the way. I do not like some of the things he says, but in many ways he reminds me of myself in that he will not shy away from making a politically incorrect statement and is highly opinioated. I have always said he was a great player. He's actually a freak of nature considering what he can do athletically at his size. One last thing. I respect your opinion regarding the intracacies of the game of basketball, thus I often direct posts to you. I have always been sincere in my questions to you. Also I too like a debate, in fact I thoroughly enjoy a heated one. I just don't like resorting to attacks on intellect, character, and name calling. That's too easy to do. I do however, apologize to all the Barkley fans on the board for my inflammatory remarks. Everyone can put the gloves back on again, which includes me. Now I can get back to asking you questions again, HeyP.

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I can feel the love.

By the way, what was the original topic of this thread?

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Great response HeyP!!!!!

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