"We are voting for the n***er"

You obviously haven't read my posts. Either that are a ignorant idiot. I am leaning towards the latter.

 

I would like to respond, but I don't understand your post here.

The oppressing race has never been the African Americans, and has always been the whites since the birth of this nation.

Again, because that word was used by whites as one of the tools of oppression, it definitely can with an added significance coming from whites than from African Americans.

Now, people can have different levels of feelings and ignorance about the history which might affect how they view the word, so in that way it is subjective. But it isn't totally subjective because of the history already discussed.

 

I had no idea she was running.....

 

why do you assume I was talking about blacks when I said oppressing race?

Also back in the 19th century it was not a tool of racism it was simply the current way to descrube the race.

 

That isn't accurate. While the term "******" gained an even more pejorative meaning as the 19th century wore on, the term always carried the baggage of European chauvinism and the stigma of slavery. The 19th century is littered with evidence that the term was also tool of racism and blacks were aware of it and sought to re-define themselves. As early as the early 19th century free blacks referred to themselves as "people of color" to overcome the stigma of a term used to denigrate Africans and slaves. Some free blacks embraced the term "African" to describe their heritage and used the name in their associations. You don't find any ****** Methodist Episcopal Churches or ****** associations in the 19th century. 1837 saw the emergence of the black newspaper, the Colored American, helping establish a respectful way for to refer to blacks. ****** wasn't just how folks discussed race in the 19th century. It was how white people described black people, enslaved black people in particular. It was a term used by a dominant class to denigrate a lower class; it so happens it was "white" people denigrating "black" people. It so happens that the term was also adopted by the denigrated class to refer to themselves.

 

yes it is. The southern use of the word was the common one even from those advocating for voting rights.

In the north colored was the common name.

We could debate this but it is not central to the point I was making, which is that when I said oppressing race I was using it in the same way I quoted it I WAS NOT SPEAKING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.

 

I didn't know who you were talking about because you said the "oppressing race". And talked of using the word freely in music or something to that effect. If we are going to talk about which race uses it more commonly in widely distributed music it isn't the whites.

Thus your statement needed clarification.

Let me just add that advocating voting rights, or abolition earlier in our nation's history didn't mean that the people weren't still racist in other ways.

 

Um, that doesn't refute the historical baggage of the term. Neither does it counter the fact that blacks themselves rejected it. You do realize that black people's perspective on race and racism counts, too? You do realize that the racism of the day (different of the racism of today) was a dominant ideology, socially acceptable, and had its own terminology? The common use of a term does not deny its use as a tool; it moreso speaks to the ubiquity of racism/racial chauvanism. There are plenty of secondary and primary sources that establish this.

The term's use had significant changes over the course of the 19th century; usage closely related to changes in the lives of whites. It was a process, well under way during the 19th century and picking up steam as the conditions of white laborers continued to worsen. Historians don't even bother heavily debating this point anymore. I would offer to exchange historical sources with you so as to have a real discourse on the matter, but for some reason I don't think that interests you.

 

but since I quoted it I thought it was pretty obvious I was using it in the same context of the large quote above my text.

 

"It isn't totally subjective. The word was used for generations by one race to oppress people of one race. Therefore it is potentially worse for the oppressing race to use the word."

That was the quote that you included. That quote obviously refers to whites as oppressors.

So if that was the same context you intended why include the part about "oppressing race" using it freely in music.

That's why it was unclear.

 

Only to the point that you are ignoring the actual point of my post and blindsiding me.

I think it is pretty obvious that by today's standards most people were quite racist during times of slavery, so the question is do we look at the words use in that era or in this one. Seriously I will discuss this with even though as you pointed out I don;t care, just open another thread to do it. I don;t have the nergy to be in 5 arguments at a time anymore.

 

OK lets be clear here.



I don;t see how that is not obvious but you and Rocket River missed it.

 

I didn't miss it. That was the point. The oppressing race (white race) using the word can definitely be worse, because of the history and significance behind the word.

I don't understand what we were supposed to have missed.

 

you missed it because you thought I was talking about black people, Rocket River said I should have said oppressed.

I really don't have the energy right now. It seems most of my time in here I am explaining what I said. It is either an awesome debate tactic on your part or just another personal hell of mine.

 

I didn't think you were talking about black people... I wasn't sure you were talking about because as you mentioned you quoted something that wasn't talking oppressors as oppressing, and was referring to whites. But you then mentioned the term having to do with those that used the word freely in music.

I didn't think or assume you were talking about black people. I asked for clarification because I was confused.

Please re-read if there is any doubt.

 

Nice job at bringing up some factual information. I would think the race being referred would have a say so in this whole thing too.

Watching CaseyH describe the N word is worse than watching a rapper try to describe the B word.

 

Anyone not using ClutchFans Dark is obviously a bigot.

 

^That does not help anything. And here I was defending your views in another thread. I cannot be sure you are or are not joking. I hope you are joking. We need to talk. Call me.