As has been stated before, the only ties to come on US soil in that stretch were in Houston where the crowd was 80/20 for Mexico at MINIMUM. Because we are talking full national teams. Nobody thinks you are a soccer power because you're 15 and 16 year olds won a tournament. If the US had won the Olympics would anyone in the footballing world really care? No. Because the only success that matters is the full national team. You also make my point for me in saying that some of those U-17ers are playing with the full national team. If they can't win anything at the higher levels it pretty much downplays any importance of the win at the U-17 World Cup.
Answer my question. : Have the U.S. beat Mexico in Mexico? Can you even say that? The U.S. won't play a friendly in Mexico. Just ask them WHY. I will accept any answer. O, I see what you're saying. If it were the U.S. winning the U-17 Cup, you'd be responding. You need to explain that to Mr. Clutch, who started the whole "Mexico needs to give up blah blah", and to Uprising, asking when Mexico won anything... how about more GOLD CUPS and actually WINNING the Confederations Cup? So you want stats, huh? Ya'll Estadounidenses love these stats... Read'em and weep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederations_Cup that's 1 title to U.S. none. Mexico 8-5-6, U.S. 4-1-5 (lost more than won) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONCACAF_Gold_Cup that's 7 titles to U.S.'s 4. Yippee kah-yay. You want more? Record against OTHER countries: Mexico - 368-157-192 U.S. - 212-201-102 ; Hey, at least it's a winning record.
Rofl. I think the point everyone was saying, is that in the last 10 years or so....more like 8 IIRC.....things have become much more even. Since the beginning of this millennium....the USA has dominated MEX. Yes MEX has a much richer history futbol, there's no arguing that. It's pretty much the only thing MEX has to cheer for, so of course they have more fans, which makes their stadium fun to watch. Sort of like games in Europe. It's not the USA's main sport. That's obvious, but it is gaining ground and starting to become more popular thank god.
The thing is, no matter who you want to say is more or less dominant, the American's have shown the Mexicans nothing but class. I don't even watch out games against Mexico because: one, I know we'll win, and two, I don't feel like seeing the Mexican team come out and committ hard fouls near the end to make up for a goal or two deficit. Honestly, Mexico is the only team that has no respect for the Americans. Even Brazil has respect for us, true, they beat the hell out of us, but there is a brotherhood between us. Mexico is still under the impression that we are still this developmental soccer nation. True, MLS is still on it's way, but most of Team USA plays in EUROPE. We've got talent that other teams pine after, and yet Mexico shows us no respect, they play dirty and they act like they are better than we. Truth be told, over the last 10 years we've proven we are finally in the same league as Mexico, if not better. When they start to show respect, then I'll start to classify them as a team. Until then, bug off.
Can you please get the grammar right? It should read "Has the US beaten Mexico in Mexico?". You're using British English with "have". TIA Probably because Mexico insists on playing in Estadio Azteca, which is the health equivalent of smoking 3 packs of cigarettes and breathing through a straw for 2 hours, all the while playing in front of 100,000+ frustrated, angry fans who would have no problem taking the side of Osama freaking bin Laden over their neighbor to the north which is only reason their country isn't the equivalent of Somalia. No thanks - we'll just keep whipping your (errr, your former country's) butts here in the US.
The US has wanted to play a friendly in Mexico for quite some time. The last friendly in Houston was originally planned to take place in Mexico but the amount of money the federations could make was much more in the US. It has nothing to do with the US not wanting to play in Mexico. I wouldn't be saying anything because a U-17 title is worth nothing. I mean it's great to win but when we're talking about the Mexican National Team not winning anything we are talking about the MEXICAN NATIONAL TEAM and not the U-17ers. If we're going all time then the US also has a semifinal appearance in the World Cup. Everyone here knows the US is a more recent arrival on the world stage so using all time statistics is accurate but doesn't reflect the fact that the US has been a better team recently.
For the Mexicans on the board: Carlos Vela is getting a start in Arsenal's FA Cup against Cardiff. Not sure if it's televised, though
Aren't you supposed to be gone from the board? And that's fine. Just correct those saying "10 years" and some other bull crap. I'd like to see you say that in Vela's and Giovanni's face to see what they do to you . Again, check back to the posts to see who here mentioned anything EXCLUDING anyone. I agree to all this. ^ I responded with stats to those wondering what Mexico has done.
SwoLy don't bother, I just posted on previous page full FIFA on the record stats for the lasts 4 years. Post was ignored. No one in their right mind would say the last 20 years of mexican futbol was worse than the last 20 years usa futbol. all the usa has done is prove they can beat mexico outside of mexico. if that is what they play for great them, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! but on the world futbol stage, finishing DEAD LAST in copa america and not getting out of your group in the world cup is nothing to proclaim. i'm not even mentioning finishing DEAD LAST in the 1998 world cup. oops... just did. as for my team... 1. mexico is struggling the last 10 years to defeat usa outside of mexico. 2. mexico is struggling while going through 3 coaches (hugo, chucho(interim), and sven) the last 2 years. 3. mexico is struggling to win away from home against anybody since coaching change. in my opinion mexico is struggling in those areas at this time. The reasons, i believe, are below. 1. coaching changes have had a huge impact on the negative. stability in this area hopefully will start the trending positive. 2. exporting of players. mexico has never been a great exporter due to pay and competitiveness of the local league, which is an importer. but due to the success of the u-17/u-20 and big team over the last 4-5 years. a large percentage of top national team talent exported to europe. including salcido, osorio, pardo, guardado, bravo, maza, vela, dos santos, nery, rafa, galindo, moreno, franco. this is something that the national team and players are definately not used to. the travel, languages, living, etc... brazil, argentina, even the usa has been dealing with travelling players much longer. also consider that first time transfers in europe get no playing time their first year. 3. transition from aging national team core to young national team core. we had a core of blanco, borgetti, pardo, morales, etc... and a new younger core including guardado, vela, dos santos, arellano, nery, etc... mexico didn't have that nice transition from old to young. it was/is to rapid and only time will help this situation. all of those 3 situations generated a perfect storm but none are permanent.
exactly, and that is the wrong point to make. over the last 10 years usa has dominated mexico and no one else. anything but even. usa dominates vs. mexico. over the last 10 years vs. the rest of the world mexico has had very respectable wins. usa has 1 and it was against mexico DUH!!!. so again not even close to being even. mexico dominates (relative to usa) vs. the rest of the world. i'll give you that things have become much more even in that neither can dominate both categories over the last 10 years like mexico used to 10+ years ago.
I'm fairly certain we've also beaten Argentina, Germany, Portugal, Paraguay, Uruguay, South Africa (in South Africa), Poland (in Poland), Scotland, Switzerland (in Switzerland), Sweden, etc., etc., etc. in the last 10 years. I'd also be willing to bet that our CONCACAF record is better than Mexico in the last 10 years.
Beating Portugal 3-2 in the WC doesn't count?? Hugh Dallas not giving the US a goal/penalty in the quarterfinals against Germany (handball) which would have sent the game into extra time?? Drawing against Italy in 2006, we should have won with Beasley's goal (disallowed)?? Yeah, you're right, we suck We are the top in Concacaf, but yes we have a ways to go before we reach the same success on the international stage. Mexicanos have had a long time to build a winner, where the US has only begun in earnest since the mid 90's. I still believe we will win or come closer to winning the WC than any team in Concacaf.
One question - which one is the last team to get to the quaterfinals of the World Cup (the Tournament)? I know that the US does struggle against some of the other countries of the world. We use to struggle with Mexico as well and were always considered the second best team in CONCACAF which is not that strong of a confederation however based on recent events past four - six years I think US has shown that they are not the top team of this region. And this is a start. If you think the US has not been getting better results recently against other countries than we will just have to disagree. The concept of the team that I like is that the US Federation is starting to schedule more games against greater competition even on European soil. This is good for the program which I think will help for us to compete on the world level. Are we there yet, of course not but just remember we are also just the second best team in region not too long ago either. I think it would be wise to not count against the US has having some success on the world level. I love the beautiful game.
i know the usa has won some games over the last 10 years. i was talking about last place in 1998 world cup, 2002 barely qualified for next round (when korea beat portugal after getting destroyed 3-0 by poland) to face mexico (who they since that matchup) last place group in wc2006, last place in 2007 copa america, etc... Mexico in the last 10 years has never had results like that aside from playing against the usa. if the usa played the world like they play mexico, they would have won a world cup by now. it think this summers confeds cup will show just how much progress the usa has made against the world. as you know last confeds cup mexico was 4th place after losing the semifinal against argentina in extra time and losing the 3rd place match to germany in extra time. i always root for concacaf so i hope the usa does well. we need to boost our federation so that we can argue that we deserve more slots then africa/asia and also argue for seeding.
Barely qualified is still qualifying isn't it?? There have been many teams to lose a game in group play and advance. In fact, during the 2002 WC, 3 other teams lost one game in group play and still advanced: Paraguay (who lost 3-1 to Spain), Turkey (finished 3rd) and Italy. And we lost 3-1 to Poland and yes they beat us like a drum. And you know we didn't send our full team to the 2007 copa america, right? We had just finished beating Mexico in the gold cup and many of our players needed rest. We were still playing to advance during the last group game in 2006. If we had won we would have advanced. So don't make it sound like the 1998 WC. I don't think we deserve more slots 3 secured and 1 playoff is enough. I don't want to see a repeat of 1982 when El Salvador got DESTROYED 10-1. I do think UEFA still has too many selections. They should give one up to Conmebol or Africa.
