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[WC First Round] (3)Golden State vs. (6)Denver

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Apr 15, 2022.

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(3)Golden State Warriors vs. (6)Denver Nuggets

Poll closed Apr 18, 2022.
  1. Warriors in 4

    12.5%
  2. Warriors in 5

    16.7%
  3. Warriors in 6

    20.8%
  4. Warriors in 7

    16.7%
  5. Nuggets in 7

    12.5%
  6. Nuggets in 6

    12.5%
  7. Nuggets in 5

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Nuggets in 4

    8.3%
  1. verysimplejason

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    I'm sorry but I can't imagine Harden's game beside the warriors. They're way of playing are entirely different. Though I know Harden's capable, would he want to move without the ball all night? I'm just looking at his time with the Rockets (CP3) and Nets (Kyrie). He's fine moving without the ball but he's not willing to do it all night. Curry's different. It seems like he's having fun weaving through the defense in and out just waiting for the ball to come. I can imagine Harden thriving in a modified triangle perhaps. And no, you can't tell us that Harden would win more rings because it didn't happen. Talent is just a part of the winnings. There are a lot more to consider before you can say he'll mesh up with the Warriors.
     
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  2. astrosrule

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    Same as @Asian Sensation you didn’t answer the question, just totally ignored it. Do you think harden klay iggy green kd wins rings? Or does harden prevent that and lose to curry plus role players rockets teams?
     
  3. verysimplejason

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    And you can??? Don't group me with Harden haters. I'm just saying the obvious. You can't say it like that when it didn't actually happened. I'm just saying that talent isn't the only thing that's important in order to win. Fit matters. Attitude matters. The Warriors' system isn't for everyone. Even I can't say for sure that it will fit or not Harden. Don't dwell in something that didn't happen.
     
  4. astrosrule

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    Ya, I believe if you put prime harden with prime durant and green and the rest of their guys that team would be completely untouchable. They also wouldn’t have played that same system. Look at the nets last year, only played a few games together yet when healthy were completely untouchable and would’ve slaughtered everyone
     
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  5. verysimplejason

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    Funny but it didn't feel that way. Sure, they won some, an excellent team but untouchable? :rolleyes: Sure they've got the talent but they lack the drive to win it all. Go ahead and blame it all to Harden's teammates. You're always doing it everytime anyway. :)
     
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    They looked pretty damn good in the playoffs before harden got injured, but maybe we were watching different games
     
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  7. Phillyrocket

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    Who cares about Harden? We need Green to start making friends with Jokic and start the groundwork to lure him to Houston in 2023 off-season.
     
  8. astrosrule

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    Jokic already said he’s signing supermax
     
  9. verysimplejason

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    Injuries are always part of the equation. That's why attitude and lifestyle count. Even more, maybe you can take a look what's happening with the 76ers. Once Harden's not the focal point of the offense, his overall attitude and performance to the game was affected. Unlike Curry, he can come from the bench without issues. Some players are just made to be a plug-n-play. I don't think Harden's like that. He's one of the most talented one-on-one player. He's very effective while being the main point of the offense but not if he's not. Just look at his time with the Rockets' CP3. They just took turns taking care of the ball. But whatever, just for me, Harden's not Curry just like Curry's not Harden. Your assumption that Harden can just replace Curry with the Warriors and get better results are just too farfetched. Besides, it didn't happen so all your posturing are invalid.
     
  10. Asian Sensation

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    Harden has had many good chances to win a ring. That OKC team was plenty good enough to win a Championship against the Heat. Sure he wasn’t in his prime but that was a super talented team with Durant, WB, and Ibaka. They beat the Spurs who won the championship the next year with basically the same roster vs the Heat.

    Everyone did their part vs The Heat except Harden who again had a major drop off.

    His regular season stats were 49% FG, 39 % 3 pt and 17 ppg

    Finals his stats dipped to 37% FG, 32% 3pt and 12.4 PPG.

    You’ll prob argue or make some excuse saying well Harden wasn’t his prime yet or whatever you want to say. Know this though. He killed it in the WCF vs Spurs. He shot 49% FG, 61% 3 pt and 18.5 ppg.

    Whats my point? He was definitely good enough to win a ring if he played as well as he did in the regular season and especially if he played like he did in the WCF.

    Thing is you can’t just assume a player will win a Championship by hypothetically plugging him into X, Y, Z team.

    When things were going well for him and the Nets last year how many Harden fanbois were crowning him and the Nets as champions and making statements like just give them the title before the season even ended?

    If it was easy everyone would be a Champ. It’s always one thing or another with Harden. Sometimes his fault sometimes not but a lot of it is his own fault. So yes, I can say for sure that I wouldn’t be confident in Harden automatically winning a championship with those Warrior teams.
     
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    If you switch them, would you bet on curry with rockets roster or harden with kd/green/klay? I understand you can’t say that you think you would win but i just find it astonishing that people think stuff like teammates/luck/refs don’t matter at all
     
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    Do you think curry (who has been injured way more then harden) in his career has a bad attitude or bad lifestyle? Is that what caused his injuries?
     
  13. YOLO

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    curry coming off the bench without issues has been made a way bigger deal than what it actually is. It was to ease him back gradually from injury. The very first game after they loss, what happened. Welp no more bench for Curry and post game last night he clearly said never again. So you're going to ignore how Harden came off the bench in okc when they asked him to start.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    I'm sorry . .. I don't understand you through your accent
    Can you type more clearly. . . EN-NUN-CEE-ATE

    Rocket River
     
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    This is actually a terrible argument since it absolves Harden of the blame he rightfully deserves for being a poor teammate to his co-stars.

    Do you really think it was "bad luck" that Durant chose to play with Curry over Harden?
     
  16. astrosrule

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    no luck involved at all, i think he just wanted easy rings without having to do anything that's all
     

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