https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...4th-again-game-3-victory-new-orleans-pelicans Looks like CP3 going off and Ayton being quiet in the 4th was on purpose. Pretty cool that CP3 was willing to listen to Ayton.
What difference does it make if u get tag or not @Asian Sensation This game has no relationship to harden and yet here u r still btching about him. Stop trying to derail threads topics. If u want to btch about him go do it somewhere the thread is actually related to him. It was already annoying that u do btch about harden 24/7, go do it in a thread where it actually makes sense Acting real tough slinging insults, type away keyboard warrior
Yeah, Ayton is kind of a poor man's Embiid. He's not as skilled, but he does everything very well. The Suns don't rely on him on offense because they have Booker and Paul. Now that Booker is down, he is getting more shots and is more than competent to score.
I simply dropped some facts with actual stats. Like always you get upset cause they don’t look good and get mad at me lol. How about you quit your b****ing or you could just ignore me like the rest of the losers.
Howard would get fouled because if you didn't he would dunk on you. He got fouled a lot and still dunked on you. And he would get fouled at times for the 'hack-a-Dwight' strategy. But the majority of his fouls were mainly because defenders were trying to keep him from scoring. Similar to Shaq who also drew 'hack-a' fouls. Point is, Howard drew a ton of fouls, Ayton does not, and that is a big deal. I think he's being overrated. But I also think there are too many mid to high-80s overall players (2K type ratings) making max money. There needs to be a tier just below max contract status that those players fit into. True max contract players are those players with overalls in the 90s so maybe my issue is more with the way max contracts are given out than with Ayton. He is in a perfect situation being the third most impactful player on a championship-caliber team. Don't think he could be the second or first most impactful on that type of team like Golbert has to be.
He shot 65% from the field and had 28 pts last night. Worrying about his lone ft is kinda weird tbh after his monster game. At his best, Dwight was taking 10 ftas but he was also a bad ft shooter. Wasnt Hack a Dwight popular back then? So really Dwight takes a lot of fts cuz opponents know he sucks at them and fouls him a lot. Ayton only averages 2 ftas but guess what he shoots at a 75% accuracy. Teams dont foul him cuz he makes his fts. I sincerely dont think Ayton's ftas are gonna be the reason PHX regrets maxing him out if they do so.
What is the point of drawing fouls if you cant make fts? For his career Dwight averaged 7 ftas and 50% accuracy. Thats like 3.5 pts. Ayton averaged 2.5 ftas and makes 75%. Thats 1.8 pts. 3.5 - 1.8 is a difference of 1.7 pts. How is this a big deal again? If you look at TS% which combines overall accuracy Dwight averaged 60% TS while Ayton averaged 62% TS so nah its not a big difference at all. 28 pts 17 rebs is 3rd most impactful to you? You know what the Suns' record is when Cp3 went down right? He is clearly the 2nd best player on the Suns they can win this series with Booker and Ayton they will lose if its just Booker and Cp3.
It forces opponents to the bench and put your team in the bonus faster. Drawing a defensive foul and missing both free throws is much better than missing a shot.
Putting opposing players in foul trouble, and putting your team in the bonus are two important and obvious points. Having opponents in foul trouble also makes them play less aggressive defense. A big deal when that player is supposed to protect the rim. Howard played most of his career out of his prime, I think you would agree with that, so why use his career stats when Ayton is in his prime? In his prime, Howard was making 6 to 7 free throws a game. 4 to 5 points per game difference. That's just a minor point, the big deal is how many fouls a player draws and Ayton just doesn't draw many fouls. Did you know the Suns went 18-6 without Ayton this season? That's a 75% winning percentage. They were 18-3 without him at one point as well before they started resting starters. They should beat the Hornets with any of their two top three players. My point was that in order for a team to be a championship contender as Phoenix is right now, a player like Ayton would have to be its third most impactful player. It seems like that's what he was this season. Unless he just rises another level in these playoffs, I think that is what we'll see in a hypothetical Suns championship run.
To me, it's hard to compare Howard and Ayton, since the offense of the NBA has completely changed. On any Magic possession, you had Jameer Nelson tossing the ball to Dwight, for him to usually make a decision - they had no superstar PG or superstar SG like Booker. That was also tail end of the era of "throw to the 5 and let him decide." Now, your 5 has to be able to pick and pop so that the ballhanders make all the decisions...unless you have a Jokic or someone like that. If PHX's offense today consisted of Paul and Booker dribbling it up and throwing it to Ayton for Ayton to then make a decision, I would think Ayton would be fouled more. But because the offense doesn't run through Ayton, he doesn't see the ball as much as Dwight did, in his best years. Also, Ayton isn't in his prime yet. He's only 23...and Dwight had his best years, imo, from ages 25-27. Interestingly, Ayton averaged less than 30 minutes played, this season. Not sure why.
Foul trouble isnt as critical as you think cuz when teams do Hack a Dwight, they didnt send Kobe or Steph out to foul Dwight right? They sent out random enforcers who would give Dwight hard hits 6 times a night. So I doubt the foul trouble opponent scorers get is due to fouling Dwight Howard. Without Cp3 the Suns are 72% wr without Ayton they are 75% wr. So the difference is roughly the same in the regular season. But we arent talking about regular season we are talking about the playoffs. Cp3 is a massive choker historically thats why Ayton is their 2nd best player impact wise. How many times has a Cp3 team lost to a lower seed in the playoffs? As the other poster mentioned, your prime argument doesnt make sense since Ayton hasnt even hit his prime yet.
they took a pagebook from silas, he also advised ayton to shoot a lot of 3s, but they said nah fam we good, we dont need more top picks...
