It's safe to assume that superstar players would've been superstars anywhere. You can't make that assumption with non-superstars. Kobe forced his way to the Lakers. This might be the stupidest thing ever written on Clutchfans. Comparing the defensive attention Curry faces to the defensive attention Monta Ellis faced......good grief.
Curry distorts defenses arguably more than anyone in league history. Instead of doubling down on this terrible, terrible take, you should start backtracking.
Did he distort offenses last year? Lol it's a 2 way street Curry makes his teammates better but Klay's 2 way play and spacing also makes things easier for Curry.
You mean when he led the league in scoring? While shooting an elite 3pt% at the highest volume of his career? Of course he did.
But I'm not talking about if they were superstars or not I'm talking about if they were still the goat or not. Klay would still be a good shooter eith or without Curry. Kobe is a rookie if the Lakers didnt want him he wouldnt be able to force his way there. You act like he has some sort of extreme leverage lol as a fresh faced rookie coming from Italy or w/e he came from. Monta Ellis was the star of GSW prior to Curry obv he faced the defensive attention Curry faced lol. Its not like opponents play 5 extra people on the court if Curry is the one playing. Kawhi or Ariza or whoever the premier defensive wing would be the one defending Monta just like they do with Curry. Of course Monta is nowhere near as good as Curry, but Klay doesnt need a Curry to shoot wide open 3s he just needs someone who can get him open.
So why'd GSW fail to make it to the playoffs if Curry is so good he doesnt need anyone else? I know you love Curry, but that guy also needs help he aint and never has been a one man show. Its not like only Klay benefits from having him, Curry also benefits from the spacing Klay, Wiggins, Poole and the rest give him as well. GSW without Klay wouldnt be on the way to the Finals, they didnt even make the playoffs with majority of the same cast.
Sure, Klay would still be a good shooter. But there's a difference between being a "good" shooter and the "GOAT" shooter. Sounds like you should brush up on your NBA history. You really should stop comparing Curry to Monta Ellis.
I never said he didn't need anyone else. Quit being obtuse. It's a team game, and his supporting cast was pretty bad last year.
Show me any relevant statistics to show klay would be anything other then a complete embarrassment and disgrace to the HOF
Career Win Shares Manu : 106.4 Klay : 48.5 Career Value over Replcement Manu : 47.6 Klay : 14.9 Career Playoff Win Shares Manu : 20.8 (21st all time) Klay : 9.7 I think Klay will make it. And will be one of the guys with the least statistical backing to actually be there. But the Manu mention is just off. Manu’s career impact dwarfs Klay’s.
Manu has a lot more win shares because he played 400 more career games then Klay right now. Plus playing with Tim Duncan and Tony Parker for 13 seasons didn't hurt either. Win shares is not always a great indicator. Shawn Marion, Horace Grant, Terry Porter, and Jeff Hornacek all have more career win shares than Manu. Other players like Otis Thorpe, Sam Perkins, and Tyson Chandler are only a few points behind him. If you look at Manu's individual numbers they aren't that impressive for a hall of famer. He finished his career at 13.3 points per game and never averaged more than 20 points per game. The closest he got was 19.5. During the first 10 years of his career he mostly scored around 15 a game. During his last 6-7 seasons he was only able to play around 20 minutes a game. Manu is in the hall of fame because he was lucky enough to play with an all time great in Tim Duncan and another all-star caliber player in Tony Parker. He wouldn't of been able to lead a team very far if he was the main guy with just role players. You can say the same with Tony Parker, who will end up in the hall of fame too because he played with Duncan and Manu, resulting in a lot of wins and titles during his career. If he had to lead a team with role players by himself, his career wouldn't be very impressive. Same with Klay. He'll end up in the hall of fame due to playing with great players and winning a handful of rings. Even though he wouldn't be able to lead a team to title contention as the main guy.
I think win shares is fine for what it is. How much volume of winning impact did you add. A long productive career is a solid mark in your favor for HOF consideration. Injury Klay doesn’t seem like he’s going to be able accumulate the volume/longevity of Manu unless something changes drastically in Klays last years.
I'll also add on that Manu's resume doesn't just start and end with the NBA and with the Spurs. He was pivotal in getting gold for Argentina in the Olympics, way back when. That stuff matters, too.
He is a 3x champion and 5x all star 19.5 ppg career scorer on 41% 3 pt shooting and 80% FT and 57% TS Thats on top of contributions to winning.
So 57% true shooting, that’s solid though he played with the greatest spacing player in history. None of the rest are relevant, show me any impact metrics that would make someone think wow this guy is great
If you wanna talk about least statistical backing Manu averaged 13.3 ppg on 25 mins a night. Compare that to Klay who at least averaged 19.5 ppg.
Dray's true shooting is at 53% even if he played with the greatest spacing player in history. If Klay's TS is just cuz of Curry then Dray's should also be high cuz Dray has also been playing with Curry all this time. Wiggins is 56% despite playing with 2 of the greatest spacing players in history. None of the rest are relevant? Says who? You? LMAO sorry you dont get to decide what is and what isnt relevant. Fact is GSW went from playin to Finals partly cuz Klay came back. Thats his impact even if that doesnt impress you it doesnt matter since you dont impact the HOF. Klay Thompson doesnt have a responsibility to impress you specifically just to make it to the HOF. I can see here the hypocrisy of fans they want team oriented players and a winning culture but are the first to mock such players for not putting up gaudy stat lines.
Its the other way around, his impact metrics suck even though he puts up good stats. I said from the start i have no doubt he gets in because he puts up points and ringzzz but nothing he has done even warrants a second of consideration
