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[Washington Post] Why don't moms with kids have time?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by DarkHorse, Jul 11, 2010.

  1. Steve_Francis_rules

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    I've often wondered what exactly a stay at home parent spends the whole day doing. Unfortunately, this article did nothing to answer the question and instead just criticized me for having the nerve to wonder.
     
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  2. peleincubus

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    well you think you have to start by saying it would depend on the age of the child and how many total children.

    now if you say you have a woman with a 18 year old senior in high school... hell if i know.
     
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  3. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    I have to watch my 19 m.o. daughter sometimes and I can say it isn't easy. She needs constant attention and can get into anything at a moment's notice. Kids that age don't just want to play by themselves they need someone and if you're the only one there they want to do everything with you. I can't imagine taking care of 2 kids...hell, she fights enough with my dog...another kid would be chaotic. It's weird how much you love to take care of them and dread it at the same time.
     
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  4. BEAT LA

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    If I could have two wifes, they would each do half the work.

    Marriage law needs revision.
     
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  5. DarkHorse

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    I have a 4 year old son and an 18 month old daughter and my wife stays at home.

    We're good parents. We discipline the kids (moreso our son, our daughter is just starting to get to the point where she's not a baby anymore), we read books with them, we play games with them, we do structured activities outside the house (my son is doing gymnastics right now and he's about to start soccer, both his choices), and we don't let them rot all day in front of the TV.

    I just have to give you a baseline because a lot of people raise there kids differently, so I can't speak for everyone.

    But one thing is universally true for children up until about the time they get into Kindergarten or the 1st grade, and that's total dependence on just about EVERYTHING.

    Babies don't know how to eat, walk, talk, sleep (yes, you have to teach them to sleep) or anything. They cry a lot because they don't know what they want and they don't know how to communicate it. They just know they feel bad. Until you have a child, you just cannot fully appreciate the absolute total dependence that babies have on their parents, especially mothers, to survive. It usually takes about 3-6 months before you can teach them how to sleep reliably, and those months are miserable because you're constantly exhausted from not sleeping yourself, and much of the time the baby is awake it's crying because it's either tired or hungry. Babies need to eat about every 3 hours at first, and they need their diapers changes about that often. A lot of times it takes about half an hour to get them to sleep, and they take 3 to 4 naps a day, so you have to be very careful about planning when you can or can't be out of the house. You don't have the luxury of going far because they don't sleep well outside of their cribs, so even if you get them to sleep in their carseat or somewhere else, you pay for it later in an angrier, more tired baby.

    Toddlers are a little more functional than babies, but they bring on new challenges because you have to start teaching them how to live. For example, you have to teach them to feed themselves. Each meal during this stage can take an easy half hour to an hour of spoon-feeding, just you sitting in a chair in front of the kid, and then lots of encouragement and frustration cause they don't know what they're doing. (oh and they're crying because they see food and you're not giving it to them) And afterwards, you have to clean all the food off the baby, the table, and the floor because the kids make a big mess. Also, once they figure out how to crawl/walk/climb you have to start baby-proofing the house because they can get into stuff. Basically this means that you can never have the baby out of your sight for long for fear that they will break something, hurt themselves, or swallow something. And they're too young to play on their own, so you have to devote much/most of their waking hours to coming up with ways to entertain them. Meanwhile, you still have to eat yourself, as well as take care of normal chores like laundry and making/cleaning/paying bills/etc. At this point they are probably only taking 2 naps a day, but those naps are VERY important. If you miss them, you have a miserable, screaming baby to deal with, so again, you can't really go anywhere far.

    Somewhere around 2-3 the kid learns how to talk and becomes a little more independent and functional. But they also learn that they can defy you and will start trying to push their limits. Constantly. They absolutely don't understand the consequences of their actions and they're too young to comprehend any kind of social niceties. Any time you go into public mongrels without children glare at you if your kids make a fuss, so you're constantly self-conscious and aware of anything that might be perceived as loud or unruly behavior around others. Also, you also start teaching them how to dress themselves, and they get interested in books and TV. Kids at this age are just starting to learn about the world they live in and need to have constant supervision and guidance for what to do and not to do.


    It's hard to quantify the day to day of everything that goes on raising kids. But generically speaking, you're dealing with underdeveloped people day in and day out who literally have a complete and total dependence on you to survive. There are no breaks. Even nap-time is just a time where you have to take care of your own business. That's when my wife cleans the house and washes the dishes and does laundry, etc.

    I help out a lot when I'm at home in the evenings and on the weekends, and I've had to take over completely when my wife has gone out of town for weddings and things, and I seriously want to punch people in the face when they belittle how much work it is to raise children.


    But having said that, it's absolutely amazing and rewarding and I wouldn't give it back for anything.

    :)
     
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  6. SwoLy-D

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    Move to UTAH, sir. :eek:
     
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  7. DarkHorse

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    fixed
     
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  9. JuanValdez

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    I have to question your reading comprehension.
     
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  10. rrj_gamz

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    haha...i knew someone who "knows how it is" would appreciate that...it's life's little things...

    sadly i just realized I only have my kids another two weeks...man, time sure flies by when you're having fun...then i'll be back to the bachelor lifestyle...I miss my kidos already...they may be little turds, but they're my little turds...
     
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  11. finalsbound

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    well that's convincing. ;)
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I blame The Thadeus.

    DD
     
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  13. Stacy's knee

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    My wife and i have raised two very active boys 7 and 5. When you have children, everything in your life changes, EVERTHING. They need constant attention, and like the writer says everything takes longer, maybe not 3 times as long, but longer. Unless you want the television to raise your kids, the stay at home mom has an endless job of keeping the kids content and not bored, while trying to teach them right from wrong. Now that my boys are a little older and seem to like each other most of the time, it is starting to ease up a little and she has started doing some part time substitute teaching during the school year. When they are small, you seriously can't take your eyes off of them for more than a minute or two, or they will end up playing in the toilet or eating the dog food. It's crazy, and it's hard, but seeing them grow up is the most rewarding thing I've done in my life, and having my wife be the one raising them instead of paying a day care upwards of $1500 a month has been well worth it.
     
  14. BetterThanI

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    And I question yours. The person wrote in asking for a real-world schedule. She responded with abstract concepts and emotional arguments. That's not answering his question.
     
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  15. Invisible Fan

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    And that is why you neglect them over work, keep your home and retirement fund, and then they'll suck up to you for inheritance money.
     
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  16. Mae

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    If someone is looking for a more concrete schedule, here's one...

    3:00 A.M. :: Wake up to soothe 3 year old back to sleep because of his night terrors

    6:00 A.M. :: Possibly wake up yet again to soothe child's night terrors

    8:00 A.M. :: Feed 6 Month old, hold him, burp him, change him and clean him up.

    8:45 A.M. :: Can eat breakfast, maybe.

    9:00 A.M. :: Laundry, dishes, bathroom? Baby cries, hold them, mop floor with one hand

    9:30 A.M. :: Break, maybe?

    10:00 A.M. :: 3 year old wakes, needs breakfast, somehow demands accompaniment to bathroom, needs clothes, puts underwear on backwards, must be instructed several times to put them on correctly

    10:45 A.M. :: Baby goes down for nap, requires diaper change

    11:00 A.M. :: Put eardrops in child ears (this is hell btw) and takes wrapping them in a large blanket to keep his hands away from his head so the drops can be administered, screaming all the while like you are chopping his ear off

    11:15 A.M. :: Think about lunch, feed dogs and hamsters, clean hamster cage

    12:00 NOON :: Make lunch, get child drink, eat lunch

    12:45 P.M. :: Clean up lunch dishes, load dishwasher, clean kitchen, potty break for self (but end up with son in the bathroom as well)

    1:15 P.M. :: Have 3 year old work on learning worksheets, teaching, reading, coloring with him. Finally prying markers from his hand when he starts coloring on himself

    2:00 P.M. :: Baby wakes, diaper change, bottle, burp, hold all while answering your son's odd question or nodding about how "The train is traveling down the track Mama."

    2:45 P.M. :: Laundry, clean bedrooms, sweep and re-sweep when child drags feet through the dirt

    3:30 P.M. :: Snack time, can visit the park, doctor, store, etc

    4:30 P.M. :: Return home, baby down for nap, diaper change, answer questions about why son can't ride on the dog. Unload car. Administer ear drops once again.

    5:30 P.M :: Start making dinner and watch child as he wants to sit on the counter to watch the food cook

    6:00 P.M. :: Eat dinner, baby up, diaper change, feed, burp

    7:00 P.M. :: Clean up dinner dishes, load dishwasher, clean up kitchen, laundry?

    7:45 P.M. :: Bath time for both children, dress and lay baby down

    8:15 P.M. :: Computer time :grin:

    8:30 P.M. :: Snack time, then clean child up from snack

    9:00 P.M. :: Bed time, which requires potty-ing and arguing about which way underwear is worn, a cup of chocolate milk, all the lights on, radio on, night light on and two flashlights to drive away the monsters of the night, includes two books normally

    9:30 P.M. :: Shower

    10:00 P.M. :: Sit on couch or at computer, and discipline child when he gets out of bed for odd reasons

    11:00 P.M. :: Bed time

    This is a rather outline-ish outline for a schedule. I'm sure there is time there that allows for extra computer time or less time, depending on doctor's appointments. Office visits, etc. There are some days in my schedule during the evening where I have to go for two hours to meet with a client. But during that time you are constantly disciplining (No, don't bite your brother. No he doesn't need a bag of chips. Don't kick the hamster in the ball, No, you cannot call people fat. No, it's not nice to call me fat either), constant loving (Yes, I love you. No, I don't want to give your brother away. Yes I think you're cute. No, you can't stand on me), constant teaching (That's not blue, that's green. That's not how you count to ten. Can you sing twinkle twinkle little star with me?). Even if you are at the computer you are never alone. It's not down time or alone time, it's you and kids time. Don't forget the E.R. visits or the cold medicine or the worrying or the whining or the accidents.
     
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  17. MiracleShot

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    I agree its hard for stay at home mothers to deal with their children but thats only from ages 1-8. from 9-18 you don't really need to do SQUAT. My mother stays at home because my father is fortunate to have a job that can provide for the whole family and here's how her day goes. Please note that I am taking away what she does for our puppy because he does technically qualify for an extremely young minor.

    Wake up whenever
    Have tea with friends/Go for a walk
    Watch 3 hours worth of soap operas
    Nap
    More soap operas
    Dad comes home
    Dinner
    Watch primetime TV (Daily Show, Colbert Report, SOAP OPERAS)
    Sleep

    Here's my dad's day both when my brother and I were young and now.

    Wake up at 5 am
    Be out the door at 5:30
    Work till 7 pm
    Get home at 9 pm
    Dinner
    Watch tv for an hour
    Sleep
     
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  18. Gooshie

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    Am I supposed to feel sorry for people who don't have any free time because they willingly chose to take on the pointless responsibility of a child?

    No thanks.
     
  19. MiracleShot

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    I kind of do feel sorry for some of them because if no one took on the "pointless responsibility" of a child the human race would be extinct.
    I just don't feel sorry for the ones who bicker and complain about it.
     
  20. Falcons Talon

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    You were once a pointless responsibility. Just because you were raised that way doesn not mean others take that approach to parenthood. You are a product of your parents.

    Keep that in mind.
     
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