[Wash Times] Beijing devoted to weakening 'enemy' U.S., defector says

The Soviet example doesn't apply here. I think the PRC is a lot more benevolent than the USSR. At the very least, the PRC's participation in world trade and foreign investment ties their economic well-being with that of the rest of the free world.

I think what we have here is a mixture of anti-Commie, pro-human rights, and "yellow peril" thinking to generate the American public's antipathy towards China - along with the reasons you outlined in your post.

 

Uh. To be realistic, the Soviet Union used to send spy planes off the shores of the United States all the time. It's a little thing called international waters. What we didn't do was send our escort planes into colision courses in order to create an incident.

(Either that, or we have better trained pilots, who don't bump into people they are supposed to be following, but I don't believe that.)

This isn't some sort of thing that is exclusive to the United States, and it has happened in international waters around the US.

 

I think that view of US history is innaccurate. If the US is an aggressor nation, we have to be pretty dumb since we keep letting these nations be autonomous and independent after "invading" and trying to "control" them. And US has not always been the aggressor, remember Pearl Harbor and 9/11. And we were not the aggressors in getting involved in the first two World Wars or the first Iraq war.

And to twist this around and start criticizing the US really has nothing to do with what China's intentions. For some bizzare reason people keep doing that, meanwhile ignoring what could be a very real threat from China.

 

Or perhaps the Chinese threat is deemed to be menacing since while China's economy is grown stronger and freer, its political system still hasn't.

 

With the exception of the disastrous invasion of Vietnam in the 70's, and the war with India in the 60's.

 

You choose to ignore so much... How did Saddam come to power? That's just one example. And about 9/11, why does the Muslim world hate the US? You should brush up on your history. I'm not saying history justifies any attack. I'm just saying your view of US history is airbrushed and heavily editted.

As for China's 'threat', China and US are linked together economically. Also, historically, China doesn't invade other countries, especially those far, far away. I'm just saying, with so many countries that already hate our guts in the middle east, we shouldn't be picking another fight so soon, especially with such a large country as China.

SamFisher: I'm sure J Diddy meant INVASION of another country. Obviously, China has fought against Koreans and Vietnamese in their respective wars. China has never tried to colonialize other nations like the Western world had done.

 

MartianMan, how do you know my view of US history is airbrushed? I am simply pointing out that your view of the US as an aggressor nation is innaccurate. When Saddam came into power, there was a war between Iran and Iraq. We did not support him just for the heck of it, and note that it ended up hurting us more than helping us. As for Arab hate, maybe they blame their own economic and social problems on the US and Israel, have you thought of it that way? Have you thought that maybe extremist like Osama fired up their extremists by using the USA as the bogeyman? The US foreign policy has not always had good results, but to blame all problems on the US is wrong.

I don't think anyone is trying to pick an unnecessary fight with China. History is full of conflict, and those who do not anticipate the worst often get destroyed. I am merely advocating that we have a defense against any possible threat, just in case. I certainly do not advocate starting any war with China.

China has never tried to "colonize" other nations. But the US has? You can't lump in the US with the "western world."

 

Wow you are still awake?

My example of Saddam was meant to show how the US sets up other governments and tries to influence them. The US has done so much to push its own ideology on other people. A recent example is when that country (man i'm tired. I forgot which country) elected the president that the US didn't like. The US claimed it was rigged, etc. Seriously, you have to admit the US's mentality is "my way or the highway."

Also, I never understood when China became a threat? China hasn't made many aggressive moves against the US. In fact, China invites many US companies to invest and utilize their workers. What is this threat people keep talking about?

Doesn't US own the dominican republic? I was sure we also had a couple more islands tucked away...

 

I can only hope this glaring misstatement was written due to a tired mind at late night without much thought.

 

And that's exactly what I meant.

China invaded Vietnam for "punitive" purposes in 1979.

China also invaded India in 1962.

This is ancient history, fellows, and is in all the textbooks and has been for decades. If you're going to invoke history - know it.

 

did u read the link about india? It's a territorial dispute. And I said in a previous post that China only attack other countries when there's a claim to the land (e.g. taiwan, tibet).

By invasion, I meant to attack and occupy. China didn't try to colonize Vietnam. From what I read in your link, Vietnam invaded Cambodia, so China attacked Vietnam.

 

I recall hearing that during the Cold War there actually were a few incidents regarding US and Soviet planes, ships and submarines in collisions like the incident the Aries EP3 Spyplane situation. Since both the US and USSR were on such tight nuclear triggers those incidents were hushed up to prevent them from leading to an outcry for war.

 

If you're just talking about the PRC you have a point but historically China has gone through periods of conquest, expansion and colonization. Perhaps you've heard of Admiral Cheng Ho who in led a few massive naval expeditions in the Ming Dynasty that established Chinese colonies throughout SE Asia all the way to Africa.

 

Not quite true. The seven expeditions led by Admiral Cheng Ho in the Ming Dynasty were aimed for explorations at seas, trading with foreign countries, and showcasing China's enormous wealth on commissions by the Emperor. The "Treasure Fleet" commanded under Cheng were not built as mighty offensive naval forces in mind - the only skirmishes involved were small scale battles with pirates on a few occasions. China didn't colonize any of native lands during the expeditions.

 

Whenever it comes to US, it's a big deal. US is devoted to weaken every country around the world, and so does China, and so does every other country in the world. Where is the big attention and outrage from? Some countries have more means and are in better position to do so, and US is certainly the strongest and most successful one.

No matter how Chinese government denies, I am sure there are plenty Chinese spies in US and other countries. So are US and other countries. Given the past history and financial situation, US are more likely have most spies around the world. Is that wrong? Maybe? But that doesn't change the fact that everyone is doing the same thing. But you can't claim that I am doing that to others for years, once you do similar things to me, it's outragous. Same thing with that globalization. You ask everyone to open market, so you make insane money on all kinds of "new technologies". Once telecom becomes commodity, you can not cry foul and say that globalization is over, that we make enough money, there is no way you are going to make it.

Speaking of that midair crush, I really don't see anything wrong from either sides. 30 miles (number could be wrong) away from your land is out of your territory, but if you are powerful enough, just like US, you can protect yourself towards that 200 miles economic area line. Theoretically, there is nothing wrong the US watch over you out of the fense of your backyard. Theoretically there is nothing wrong for the Chinese waive a gun over the fense to warn others not to peek. Just, if the guy you are peeking at is strong enough, you only dare to peak over a couple of streets, you wouldn't stick out a huge telescope to watch other people's bedroom over the fense.

Midair conflict like that is very risky. A man lost his life. You can blame him for lack of skills all you want to, but without provocation, he wouldn't lose his life, even if he's a commie. Theorectically, Cuban can install Russian weapones all they want, whehter it's aiming at you, but US was powerful enough to prevent that happening.

The crush itself was a normal incident. But Bush gave me a chance to see how he plays poker. He basically lays out all his hands in the first round. He said there is no doubt that they have to return our crew and plane first, then we talk. Otherwise, there would be sanctions etc. I was shocked, because you are supposed to be diplomatic in situations like international conflicts. GWB ended up put out couple of half-a$$ announcement about regret and sorry for life lost, shed out some money as compensation etc, then got the plane and crew back. It just made him look laughable. Of course, his loyal supporters don't care what he says or how he acts, just like Mao's loyal supporters.

Before I further go away from the thread, I just want to say I am surprised that people act like innocent children, to pretend to be shocked that there are conflicts between any countries, and one of them could be US, and people in power don't want to see other countries getting stronger or keeping strong. That's very poor acting for me.