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Was Robert Moses evil?

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  1. da1

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    Just read the power broker, and man this guy was something else. Pretty much decimated New York City to an extent and would've done a LOT more if he had his way.

    For pools in East Harlem where he wanted to encourage white attendence, Moses reportedly authorized that the temperature of the water made colder -- because black people disliked cold water.


    BRIDGE TO NOWHERE: Moses with a model of his Brooklyn Battery Bridge, which would have cut straight over New York Harbor, linking Battery Park with Red Hook, Brooklyn. To build this monstrosity would require turning Governor's Island into a gigantic anchorage and eradicating the New York Aquarium, housed in historic Castle Clinton.

    Moses got his revenge -- on the New York Aquarium. He ripped it out of Castle Clinton and threw it out on Coney Island.

    HIGHWAY CITY: Had Moses's ideas come to full fruition, an elevated highway would have cut through lower Manhattan at Broome Street, a mid-Manhattan version would have landed onto 30th Street, and the culture of Harlem's 125th Street would have been eliminated by a Cross Harlem Expressway. The two uptown extensions died quickly, but Moses was so close to making LoMaX (the Lower Manhattan Expressway) that one segment, at Chrystie Street, was actually built and abandoned.

    SCANDAL: The drab structures at Park West Village belie the scandal of Manhattantown, a proposed development exposed as an elaborate development scam spawned from the federal government Slum Clearance Program -- a program overseen by Moses in New York.

    http://theboweryboys.blogspot.com/2010/03/robert-moses-did-he-save-new-york-or.html
     
  2. da1

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    And more

    1. He was the reason the Brooklyn Dodgers left because he insisted on the Shea Stadium location as the only possible location.

    2. He wanted to put 5th avenue through washington square park.

    3. He destroyed the bronx by building the cross bronx expressway right through it.

    4. Also he destroyed many nice areas up until westchester.

    5. He wanted to widen the Pelham Parkway and destroy more greenspace as a result as well.

    6. The Whitestone and Verrazano Bridges were designed to carry a mass transit line but Moses was against that.

    7. At the beginning of the 1960s, he had a highway similar to the Cross-Bronx, known as the Bushwick Expressway, on the planning boards.

    7. He wanted to build an expressway from Long Island to Connecticut. He wanted an expressway to go straight through Brooklyn Heights.

    8. He was also a racist, he had bridges designed in a way which were built over the parkway had very low clearance to prevent mass transport -- buses -- bringing loads of city people to the beaches and parks.

    9. He refused to build parks and playgrounds in Harlem.

    10. He refused to clean Riverside Park above 125th street.


    Rest in hell Robert Moses
     
  3. Dairy Ashford

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    No. The manner in which he built housing projects and disallowed any retail development was his one great and lasting sin. NYC is literally an entire century ahead of the country with regards to transit and transport infrastructure; Moses obviously didn't start that but didn't do so much to detract from it either.
     
  4. da1

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    Moses was against transit, but point taken. He did stop the 2nd avenue subway from being built, which I think still hasn't been built to this day.

    His housing projects remind me of Le Courboursier's. So ugly. And having parks on the inside just asks for trouble. Parks need to be in the open because people in numbers are good incentive to prevent violence.
     
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    This is the very worst pretext for an allegation of racism I have ever read.
     
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    Uh hello, Moses gave us the ten commandments.
     
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  7. da1

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    He didn't want people who rode buses to come. Who rides buses more than anyone else? Minorities. 1+1=2
     
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    Another da1 thread about what? You guessed it! Transit!
     
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    Not to mention a beast on the boards
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    Moses.

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    .....and the 400 m hurdles as well.
     
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    2nd ave subway is underconstruction now, allng with a few other massive underground rail projects in nyc, the extension of the 7 train to the javits center, and the LIRR into grand central. And water tunnel #3, also hugely massive, and largely out of sight of the millions on street level.
     
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    None of that still ridiculous reasoning: particularly your thesis about whites not riding buses in New York City in the freaking '50s, or that non-whites don't use automobiles now; was in your earlier, dreadful post. Try reading and rationally framing stuff before you regurgitate it.
     
  16. carlosc

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    Although not his gravest sin Robert Moses was plainly a racist.

    Criticizing someone for not advancing an argument that's as cogent as you might like when defending, say, the law of gravity, exposes one as an irascible prick.
     
  17. da1

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    I suppose he hated mass transit as much as he hated minorities. If you look at his overall body at work it's plain as day to see he was a racist.
     
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    Why would a bridge from long island to connecticut have been a bad idea?
     
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    Originally 15. :(

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    ;)
     
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