Also, the idea that you've been out front on gay marriage is laughable. You've said a few times you were for it, sure, but you haven't been out front on it at all. Frankly, you've seemed ambivalent at best on the subject. As for the Libby stuff, I don't doubt you've said it or even said it repeatedly, but this is the first time I remember you going that far. Everything I've read from you on the Fitzgerald grand jury has said that you would reverse your position that the whole thing was a "kerfluffle" if someone was convicted of knowingly outing an undercover agent.
i have no doubt of your document design skills, however, i do have some concerns that all the calls are not available in one place, given the likelihood of multiple carriers, juresdictions, etc. But i'll freely admit that perhaps i don't fully understand the technology, or the ease with which the records might be produced after-the-fact. however, i will maintain, that a supeana, relying as it does on connections obvious to your average FBI agent, is likely to miss data that might be available were the records subjected to the mainframes of the NSA. when you're looking for a needle in a haystack, and you're not even sure in which haystack the needle exists, it's helpful not only to have a powerful vacuum, but a very fine sieve as well.
Your hypothetical gave me a needle (one phone number). It's pretty easy to find the connecting hay given that phone number. But if you want the haystack - simply subpoena the haystack and run it through the machines that the NSA uses. In fact that is often easier to comply with a request for the haystack because the producing party doesn't have to bother with sifting the data on its own. Again, not hard to do.
Again, none of this explains why the program and the details of it ought to be kept secret from a secret court.
I've learned it's folly to scrutinize your posts on Plame. You're delusional on that. On gay marriage I have paid strict attention to everything posted here by anyone. You have been nowhere near "out in front" on it. You've registered your support for gay rights and gay marriage, sure. And that's to your credit. But you've not so much as argued with those that oppose gay rights here, let alone taken initiative to discuss this issue. "Out in front?" Not even close.
I don't even think they'd have to go through FISA or any court at all. They can just issue the subpoena and it wouldn't even have to go to court unless the company resists (in which case they would go to court and enforce it under seal).
Oh, okay. You posted one article (about gays in the military, not gay marriage) more than a year after Bush started pushing the Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Yeah, that's being "out front" on gay marriage. I also have to say, your jokey style on issues so serious (your weird use of "iRaq," and your insistence on using the words "hot and sweaty" every time you post about bigotry against gays and lesbians) is just gross.
seriously, i think you'd be hard pressed, as it were, to find on this board a bigger supporter of gay rights than me. sorry if that's not enough for you, but i'm happy to compare my posting record on the issue with anyone else's, say perhaps, your own?
Here is a blurb: _______ "At the time, the vice president, rather than other potential witnesses, was upset that his personal credibility had been attacked unfairly in his view," Fitzgerald said. Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald told a federal court that Cheney's hand-written notes on a newspaper article referring to Valerie Plame shortly before she was exposed as a CIA operative were uniquely relevant to the issues in the case. link
That's called a fishing expedition using a trawl net and there's a reason why the courts have frowned upon that sort of thing. What you're saying is that since the NSA might not know what threat is out there or if there is even a threat they should be allowed to collect and sift through whatever data they want. I suppose you've heard the term no controlling legal authority, well that's what you're asking for.
You are the weirdest person I've ever known. And I've known a lot of weird people. What does this even mean? How do you suggest I "put up?" Any BBS search including our monikers and the word "gay" will show that I've been among the most constant and passionate supporters of gay rights (if not the most) and opposers of Bush's bigoted policies on the BBS, not to mention that I voted for the candidate that opposed a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and that you've posted one article about gays in the military, occasionally said you supported gay marriage, talked a lot about hot, sweaty sex and voted for the guy that invented and continues to push the Constitutional amendment. So, again, what are you even talking about?
That's saying a lot since you just made a Daniel Johnson documentary. ________ ~btw~ If you type 'ghey' into the search - basso and batman jones are the number one hits. ___________ In other words... Please go find a new thread to act like flamers ~ this one has managed to stay above the fray for an exceedingly long time for the D & D.
