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Was Karl Rove the source of the Plame leak. . .

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  1. underoverup

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    i guess we should get ready for "libby the libpig" accusations from the rovian parrots.
     
  2. No Worries

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    The gift that keeps on giving ...

    Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say
    Larisa Alexandrovna

    The unmasking of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson by White House officials in 2003 caused significant damage to U.S. national security and its ability to counter nuclear proliferation abroad, RAW STORY has learned.

    According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

    Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame's work. Their accounts suggest that Plame's outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran's burgeoning nuclear program.

    While many have speculated that Plame was involved in monitoring the nuclear proliferation black market, specifically the proliferation activities of Pakistan's nuclear "father," A.Q. Khan, intelligence sources say that her team provided only minimal support in that area, focusing almost entirely on Iran.


    Plame declined to comment through her husband, Joseph Wilson.

    Valerie Plame first became a household name when her identity was disclosed by conservative columnist Robert Novak on July 14, 2003. The column came only a week after her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, had written an op-ed for the New York Times asserting that White House officials twisted pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Her outing was seen as political retaliation for Wilson's criticism of the Administration's claim that Iraq sought uranium from Niger for a nuclear weapons program.

    Her case has drawn international attention and resulted in the indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, on five counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who is leading the probe, is still pursuing Deputy Chief of Staff and Special Advisor to President Bush, Karl Rove. His investigation remains open.

    The damages

    Intelligence sources would not identify the specifics of Plame's work. They did, however, tell RAW STORY that her outing resulted in "severe" damage to her team and significantly hampered the CIA's ability to monitor nuclear proliferation.

    Plame's team, they added, would have come in contact with A.Q. Khan's network in the course of her work on Iran.

    While Director of Central Intelligence Porter Goss has not submitted a formal damage assessment to Congressional oversight committees, the CIA's Directorate of Operations did conduct a serious and aggressive investigation, sources say.

    Intelligence sources familiar with the damage assessment say that what is called a "counter intelligence assessment to agency operations" was conducted on the orders of the CIA's then-Deputy Director of the Directorate of Operations, James Pavitt.

    Former CIA counterintelligence officer Larry Johnson believes that such an assessment would have had to be done for the CIA to have referred the case to the Justice Department.

    "An exposure like that required an immediate operational and counter intelligence damage assessment," Johnson said. "That was done. The results were written up but not in a form for submission to anyone outside of CIA."

    One former counterintelligence official described the CIA's reasons for not seeking Congressional assistance on the matter as follows: "[The CIA Leadership] made a conscious decision not to do a formal inquiry because they knew it might become public," the source said. "They referred it [to the Justice Department] instead because they believed a criminal investigation was needed."

    The source described the findings of the assessment as showing "significant damage to operational equities."

    Another counterintelligence official, also wishing to remain anonymous due to the nature of the subject matter, described "operational equities" as including both people and agency operations that involve the "cover mechanism," "front companies," and other CIA officers and assets.

    Three intelligence officers confirmed that other CIA non-official cover officers were compromised, but did not indicate the number of people operating under non-official cover that were affected or the way in which these individuals were impaired. None of the sources would say whether there were American or foreign casualties as a result of the leak.

    Several intelligence officials described the damage in terms of how long it would take for the agency to recover. According to their own assessment, the CIA would be impaired for up to "ten years" in its capacity to adequately monitor nuclear proliferation on the level of efficiency and accuracy it had prior to the White House leak of Plame Wilson's identity.

    A.Q. Khan

    While Plame's work did not specifically focus on the A.Q. Khan ring, named after Pakistani scientist Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the network and its impact on nuclear proliferation and the region should not be minimized, primarily because the Khan network was the major supplier of WMD technology for Iran.

    Dr. Khan instituted the proliferation market during the 1980s and supplied many countries in the Middle East and elsewhere with uranium enrichment technology, including Libya, Iran and North Korea. Enriched uranium is used to make weaponized nuclear devices.

    The United States forced the Pakistan government to dismiss Khan for his proliferation activities in March of 2001, but he remains largely free and acts as an adviser to the Pakistani government.

    According to intelligence expert John Pike of GlobalSecurity.org, U.S. officials were not aware of the extent of the proliferation until around the time of Khan's dismissal.

    "It slowly dawned on them that the collaboration between Pakistan, North Korea and Iran was an ongoing and serious problem," Pike said. "It was starting to sink in on them that it was one program doing business in three locations and that anything one of these countries had they all had."

    After the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Pakistan became the United States' chief regional ally in the war on terror.

    The revelation that Iran was the focal point of Plame's work raises new questions as to possible other motivating factors in the White House's decision to reveal the identity of a CIA officer working on tracking a WMD supply network to Iran, particularly when the very topic of Iran's possible WMD capability is of such concern to the Administration.
     
  3. halfbreed

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    ...RAW story has learned?

    Why don't you just post an article that says Matt Drudge thinks _________ ?
     
  4. halfbreed

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    Just so everyone knows that I didn't just assume it was a partisan newssource like Drudge, here's a list of stories from that page:
     
  5. mc mark

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    Because, unlike Drudge, Raw Story actually confirms and corroborates it's stories before they publish them.

    And, yes, it's a liberal website. What's your point?
     
  6. halfbreed

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    With unnamed sources? As a former J-student I can tell you that unnamed sources to most journalists usually is equivalent to "I think."
     
  7. halfbreed

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    No overarching point just that if something gets posted from Drudge, it's automatically debunked so we should treat all extremely partisan sites as the same, no?
     
  8. mc mark

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    Drudge has been shown time and again that it cannot be trusted with the truth. So far, I have never seen a story from Raw that was shown to be false or deliberately misleading.
     
  9. mc mark

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    Then we might as well dismiss all media.

    [edit] Augh! I have work to do today and can't spend all afternoon on the BBS! :mad: :)
     
  10. Nolen

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    That's not a very strong argument, though I understand the sentiment. The top journalistic publications of any political leaning use "an official source who asked to remain anonymous." We would have to disregard most journalism, especially the groundbreaking stories, if we were to ignore all stories with unnamed sources.

    If you could give an example of rawstory lying or deliberately misleading that would help your argument. You'll find that many people who debunk the Drudge Report debunk the content of the report itself.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Gonzales Withholding Plame Emails

    By Jason Leopold
    Wednesday 15 February 2006

    Sources close to the investigation into the leak of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson have revealed this week that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has not turned over emails to the special prosecutor's office that may incriminate Vice President Dick Cheney, his aides, and other White House officials who allegedly played an active role in unmasking Plame Wilson's identity to reporters.

    Moreover, these sources said that, in early 2004, Cheney was interviewed by federal prosecutors investigating the Plame Wilson leak and testified that neither he nor any of his senior aides were involved in unmasking her undercover CIA status to reporters and that no one in the vice president's office had attempted to discredit her husband, a vocal critic of the administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence. Cheney did not testify under oath or under penalty of perjury when he was interviewed by federal prosecutors.

    The emails Gonzales is said to be withholding contained references to Valerie Plame Wilson's identity and CIA status and developments related to the inability to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Moreover, according to sources, the emails contained suggestions by the officials on how the White House should respond to what it believed were increasingly destructive comments Wilson had been making about the administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence.

    Gonzales, who at the time of the leak was the White House counsel, spent two weeks with other White House attorneys screening emails turned over to his office by roughly 2,000 staffers following a deadline imposed by the White House in 2003. The sources said Gonzales told Fitzgerald more than a year ago that he did not intend to turn over the emails to his office, because they contained classified intelligence information about Iraq in addition to minor references to Plame, the sources said.

    He is said to have cited "executive privilege" and "national security concerns" as the reason for not turning over some of the correspondence, which allegedly proves Cheney's office played an active role in leaking Plame Wilson's undercover CIA status to reporters, the attorneys said.

    Aside from the emails that have not been turned over, there are also emails that Patrick Fitzgerald, the Special Prosecutor investigating the case, believes were either "shredded" or deleted, the attorneys said.

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021506J.shtml
     
  12. No Worries

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    Sources close to the investigation into the leak of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson have revealed this week that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has not turned over emails to the special prosecutor's office that may incriminate Vice President Dick Cheney, his aides, and other White House officials who allegedly played an active role in unmasking Plame Wilson's identity to reporters.

    The emails Gonzales is said to be withholding contained references to Valerie Plame Wilson's identity and CIA status and developments related to the inability to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.Moreover, according to sources, the emails contained suggestions by the officials on how the White House should respond to what it believed were increasingly destructive comments Wilson had been making about the administration's pre-war Iraq intelligence.


    Doesn't pass my sniff test. It appears that Fitzgerald through this source knows what is in Gonzo's emails? Sounds apocryphal.
     
  13. mc mark

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    BTW

    Did anyone else catch this little exchange with Cheney during his Oprah moment yesterday?

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    Q: Let me ask you another question.

    Is it your view that a Vice President has the authority to declassify information?

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: There is an executive order to that effect.

    Q: There is.

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: Yes.

    Q: Have you done it?

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I've certainly advocated declassification and participated in declassification decisions. The executive order --

    Q: You ever done it unilaterally?

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't want to get into that. There is an executive order that specifies who has classification authority, and obviously focuses first and foremost on the President, but also includes the Vice President.

    Q: There have been two leaks, one that pertained to possible facilities in Europe; and another that pertained to this NSA matter. There are officials who have had various characterizations of the degree of damage done by those. How would you characterize the damage done by those two reports?

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: There clearly has been damage done.

    Q: Which has been the more harmful, in your view?

    THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't want to get into just sort of ranking them, then you get into why is one more damaging than the other. One of the problems we have as a government is our inability to keep secrets. And it costs us, in terms of our relationship with other governments, in terms of the willingness of other intelligence services to work with us, in terms of revealing sources and methods. And all of those elements enter into some of these leaks.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joshuah-bearman/fox-floats-cheneys-trial_b_15804.html

    So it seems that Cheney is setting up a defense for Libby. Libby will now claim that he was only doing his job and "technically" he wasn't leaking classified information, but information that was declassified by the VP.

    Convenient huh?
     
  14. mc mark

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    Cheney Says He Can Declassify Secrets

    By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
    Thu Feb 16, 8:36 AM ET

    WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney says he has the power to declassify government secrets, raising the possibility that he authorized his former chief of staff to pass along sensitive prewar data on Iraq to reporters.

    Cheney coupled his statement in a TV interview Wednesday with an endorsement of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, his ex-aide. Libby is under indictment on charges of perjury, obstruction and lying to the FBI about disclosing the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame.

    "Scooter is entitled to the presumption of innocence," Cheney told Fox News Channel. "He is a great guy. I worked with him for a long time. I have tremendous regard for him. I may well be called as a witness at some point in the case, and it is therefore inappropriate for me to comment on any facet of the case."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216...JhGadWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-
     
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    You spin me right round, baby
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  16. No Worries

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    Vice President Dick Cheney says he has the power to declassify government secrets, raising the possibility that he authorized his former chief of staff to pass along sensitive prewar data on Iraq to reporters.

    Gotta think that Cheney is now in Fitzgerald sights.

    I may well be called as a witness at some point in the case

    Cheney testify? LMAO. Not. Going.To. Happen.

    I bet that Cheney will do everything in his power to NOT testify or cooperate meaningfully with Fitzgerald.
     
  17. mc mark

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    I love that song!
     
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    me too.

    Brings back memories.

    Hazy memories.

    but memories.
     
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