Because it can't be proven in a court of law. Again, that doesn't mean he didn't lie, it just means that it can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
He may not have lied once he was under oath and before the grand jury. He may have turned squealer and cut a deal. There are numerous reasons why he may not be indicted for perjury. But this one weak claim of a journalist in no way trumps the document where her status was clearly marked top secret, and so secret that not even friendly govts. could know about her. It doesn't get any better documented than that, and certainly a dubious claim by a crusty old reporter doesn't debunk that official state department document. How does she receive classified "secret" status if she isn't covert? How does she receive the "N/F" classified status if she isn't covert. Let's look at the Washington Post article and what it says about about how people get classified status. This is from the same article that I quoted earlier in this thread. You are choosing to ignore strong and certain evidence in favor of weak and uncertain evidence. Like I said before. During the investigation there were rumors about what certain people testified to. They may or may not have been true. But now that the investigation is complete we know some things for certain. Valerie Plame had undercover status. But once again for the sake of argument, let's pretend her status wasn't NOC. Her status was just classified. And we know it was classified at such a level that it went beyond top secret to not even for friendly govts. to know about. But it was still just classified. Does that make it OK in your opinion? It is it OK for the chief of staff to the most powerful VP in our nation's history to leak extremely calssified information about an intel agent finding out about terrorism in the Middle East with established contacts in Saudi Arabia? Is all of that ok as long as her status was just the top upper most level of classified data?
once again, how could it have been a secret if it was common knowledge among the washington press corps? Please note the date: http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007488 === From Oct 3, 2003, on CNBC: MURRAY: And the second question is: Do we have any idea how widely known it was in Washington that Joe Wilson's wife worked for the CIA? Andrea Mitchell: It was widely known among those of us who cover the intelligence community and who were actively engaged in trying to track down who among the foreign service community was the envoy to Niger. So a number of us began to pick up on that. But frankly I wasn't aware of her actual role at the CIA and the fact that she had a covert role involving weapons of mass destruction, not until Bob Novak wrote it.
Uhm... Basso, her status isn't for discussion anymore it is known what her status was. Andrea Mitchell's comment might be relevant if we were trying to figure out whether or not she was undercover. We know that she was. What Andrea Mitchell believed or anyone else believed about Plame's occupation was is no longer relevant when we have official records showing specifically what her status was. We know how the govt. documents regarding her were marked. We know that Fitzgerald has said that her identity was classified. Please look up and read who gets classified status within the CIA. Please read what code of classification the state department put before her name in official documents. Andrea Mitchell can say that Plame walked around with a neon sign that said, "I'm a CIA agent, look at me" and it wouldn't change the fact that she her identity was classified at the absolute top level of classification. Beyond that look at what Mitchell says. She says that people begain to pick up on that. So it was all guess work by her and others, and nobody leaked anything definite. You are trying to go backwards and make her status something other than we know it to have been. It just doesn't hold water in light of official govt. documents which trumps Novak's supposed claim, or Andrea Mitchell's guess work. Documents in which she is marked "TS" and "N/F" remove all guess work, and dubious claims from the scenario. It is a matter of record. You can call the CIA and complain that her status shouldn't have been what it was. But you can't make her status different than what it was. That is already done and it is a matter of record.
If W as a child told his mom these kind of whoppers, I am very sure that she would have spanked his behind. At best, meanless rhetoric. At worst, shameless lying.
Common sense and basic facts support the case against the administration. Administration defenders can only turn to magic bullets, and arguing basic facts.
The White House is in shambles, now that Scooter is gone. White House aide praises Libby on eve of leak case WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior adviser to President George W. Bush on Wednesday praised ex-White House aide Lewis Libby on the eve of his arraignment on charges of obstructing justice, perjury and lying in the CIA leak investigation. Libby resigned on Friday as chief of staff and national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney after he was indicted on the charges. Both Cheney and Bush have also praised Libby though Bush also said he takes the leak investigation seriously. Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is investigating the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's name to the media in July 2003. Her diplomat husband charged her name was leaked in retaliation for his criticism of Bush and the Iraq war. "Scooter Libby is a fine person. And he served the president and the vice president well," White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley said at a news briefing. "I will miss him as a colleague and as a friend," he added. At his arraignment on Thursday Libby is expected to plead not guilty in the case, according to lawyers and those close to him. © Reuters 2005. All Rights Reserved.
Actually, it went pretty well. I offered Hear me, o lord Quand la flamme Vi ravviso Se vuol ballare Aleko's cavatina I opened with Hear me, and they (predictably) picked the Mozart. I haven't heard from them tonight, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm in williamsburg, Bedford stop on the L, first stop across the water. I can get to the UWS relatively painlessly. You still have my email?
CBS Poll Finds Public Takes Plamegate Seriously By E&P Staff Published: November 03, 2005 12:15 AM ET NEWYORK One particular number in the new CBS poll released Wednesday has drawn most of the interest: President Bush's approval rating plunging to 35%, his worst standing ever and the lowest mark recorded in decades. But buried in the lengthy survey was an appraisal of the salience of the current Plame/CIA leak case scandal that is equally revealing. It shows that, contrary to some reports this week from leading conservative columnists, the public does take this issue seriously, indeed. Some 51% said it is already of "great importance," with 35% choosing "some importance" and 12% "little or not importance." Here are comparable numbers for other notable scandals in recent years, along with the month and year the poll was taken: --Clinton-Lewinsky (1/98) Great importance - 41% Some importance - 21% Little/no importance - 37% --Whitewater (3/94) Great importance - 20% Some importance - 29% Little/no importance - 45% --Iran-Contra (2/87) Great importance - 48% Some importance - 33% Little/no importance - 19% --Watergate (5/73; Gallup Poll) Great importance - 53% Some importance - 25% Little/no importance - 22% http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001433090
"Ralph's Aria" is actually one of my favorites, although it lies a bit high for me. I could sing vi ravviso on a good day, otherwise it was addio del passagio! as long as you feel good about how you did, that's the important thing. i got my first agent out of a competition where i wasn't a winner, and ultimately that proved to be a lot more valuable. and to clarify, i was wrong about being a sullivan winner. i got it confused with another competition- it's been a long time! i've got your email- i'll give you a shout soon. oh, and it takes balls to open with Blitch! impressive you can pull that off.
In the history of opera, is there any other character who's name is "Ralph?" Love that. I just got notification- didn't win. I got an encouragement award from them last year so I was hoping for the upgrade- not this time. I'm not a bass-bass, bass-baritone really, so some of the higher stuff like Blitch isn't that bad. Now, the sermon... that's another story. That's a biyatch. And now, back to our regular programming: AAAARRGGH IGNORANT CONSERVATIVES BUSH LIED CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP GGRRRRRRR!!!
Libby Pleads Not Guilty in CIA Leak Case Nov 3, 11:06 AM (ET) By PETE YOST WASHINGTON (AP) - Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff pleaded not guilty Thursday in the CIA leak scandal, marking the start of what could be a long road to a trial in which Cheney and other top Bush administration officials could be summoned to testify. I was half expecting a no-contest plea, with Libby becoming fully impailed on his sword. Maybe since Valerie Wilson's civil suit in the works, there is no shutting the barn door.
Blitch is a b****? do you know Ghiarov's recording of the jolie fille aria? if not, it's prime ghiaurov, late 60's i think, the voice is amazingly fresh, huge, powerful, and the vintage decca recording is fantastic as well.
Well, all our Basso credentials are now in order...I studied at UNT, Basso-"pretendo" as Dr Garner said or profundo for the schooled.... Basso, Nolen--you guys studied where? BTW, Vi Ravviso was my money Aria--always a good hit at NATS but nothing like Blitch
where's UNT? Tenn or TX? i went to memphis mistake, then moved to nyc, studied privately, although i did a year at AOC (Julliard). my whole career was basically built on il lacerato spirito. fortunately for me, no one ever seemed to grok that it never goes above a D!
