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Was Karl Rove the source of the Plame leak. . .

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  1. basso

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  2. mc mark

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    oh basso! Don't you know? Yer my obsession!

    Have a nice weekend all! GO STROS!!!!!
     
  3. No Worries

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    Plame plans to sue White House officials
    WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 (UPI) -- Joseph Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame are preparing to file a civil suit against Bush administration officials.

    Plame was the covert CIA agent allegedly unmasked by the White House. Now she is preparing to file a civil lawsuit against the Bush administration officials who may have disclosed her identity and scuttled her career, Salon.com reported Thursday.

    "There is no question that her privacy has been invaded. She was almost by definition the ultimate private person," said the couple's attorney, Christopher Wolf.

    Wolf said the couple would make a final decision on filing a lawsuit after special prosecutor Patick Fitzgerald has completed his investigation, Salon said.

    If they do sue, Wilson and Plame could be the first litigants to depose senior White House officials since Paula Jones, an employee of the state of Arkansas, sued President Bill Clinton.

    Fitzgerald must decide whether or not to return indictments by Oct. 28, the day the grand jury investigating the leak of Plame's name to the press is scheduled to be dismissed. Democrats in Congress have requested a report from Fitzgerald on his findings but legal observers say he is under no obligation to provide one if he decides that no crimes were committed.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    Looks to be a wild week in Washington...
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    Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas brushed aside an indictment for perjury -- rather than for the underlying crime of outing a covert operative -- as a "technicality."
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    Lawyers see charges this week in CIA-leak case

    Federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald appears to be laying the groundwork for indictments this week over the outing of a covert CIA operative, including possible charges of perjury and obstruction of justice, lawyers and other sources involved in case said on Sunday.

    In a preview of how Republicans would counter charges against top administration officials by Fitzgerald, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas brushed aside an indictment for perjury -- rather than for the underlying crime of outing a covert operative -- as a "technicality."

    Speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press" she suggested Fitzgerald may merely be trying to show that "two years' of investigation was not a waste of time and dollars."


    Fitzgerald's investigation has focused largely on Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's top political adviser, and Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, and their conversations about CIA operative Valerie Plame with reporters in June and July of 2003.

    Fitzgerald is expected to give final notice to officials facing charges as early as Monday and may convene the grand jury on Tuesday, a day earlier than usual, to deliver a summary of the case and ask for approval of the possible indictments, legal sources said. The grand jury is to expire on Friday unless Fitzgerald extends it.

    Fitzgerald could still determine that there was insufficient evidence to bring charges, but the lawyers said that appeared increasingly unlikely.

    Republican Sen. George Allen of Virginia joined Democrats in saying that Rove and Libby should step down if indicted. "I think they will step down if they're indicted ... I do think that's appropriate," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    While Fitzgerald could still charge administration officials with knowingly revealing Plame's identity, the lawyers said he appeared more likely to seek charges for easier-to-prove crimes such as making false statements, obstruction of justice and disclosing classified information. Fitzgerald could also bring a broad conspiracy charge.

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  5. Deckard

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    Kay Bailey shows her true colors... perjury just a "technicality?" Right.



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  6. No Worries

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    Hutchison Flip-Flops on Importance of Perjury
    On February 2, 1999, Hutchison stood with a bipartisan group of senators at a press conference announcing a resolution to open the Senate trial on the impeachment of President Clinton. At the time, Hutchison said it was vitally important to prosecute on perjury charges because telling the truth is the lynch pin of our criminal justice system:

    omething needs to be said that is a clear message that our rule of law is intact and the standards for perjury and obstruction of justice are not gray. And I think it is most important that we make that statement and that it be on the record for history.

    I very much worry that with the evidence that we have seen that grand juries across America are going to start asking questions about what is obstruction of justice, what is perjury. And I don’t want there to be any lessening of the standard. Because our system of criminal justice depends on people telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. That is the lynch pin of our criminal justice system and I don’t want it to be faded in any way.


    Sen. Hutchison, what kind of message is it sending to grand juries to say that an indictment of perjury is not a crime, just a technicality? And what does that do to our criminal justice system?
     
  7. No Worries

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    :eek: :rolleyes:



    :D ;)
     
  9. glynch

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    Only the naive thought the GOP cared about that.

    You might think this would make some of the GOP loyalists think, but they seem to be immune from finding fault with double standards.
     
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    One would imagine that some thought processes were taking place in the minds of avid Administration supporters. The quote No Worries came up with was on my mind when I made my previous post... kudos for finding it, No Worries. Just how much hypocrisy is enough before fawning Bush Administration champions decide that they have been sickened by it?



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  11. mc mark

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    Oh my....

    Intl. Intelligence
    Walker's World: Bush at bay
    By MARTIN WALKER
    UPI Editor

    WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- The CIA leak inquiry that threatens senior White House aides has now widened to include the forgery of documents on African uranium that started the investigation, according to NAT0 intelligence sources.

    This suggests the inquiry by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald into the leaking of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame has now widened to embrace part of the broader question about the way the Iraq war was justified by the Bush administration.

    Fitzgerald's inquiry is expected to conclude this week and despite feverish speculation in Washington, there have been no leaks about his decision whether to issue indictments and against whom and on what charges.

    Two facts are, however, now known and between them they do not bode well for the deputy chief of staff at the White House, Karl Rove, President George W Bush's senior political aide, not for Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

    The first is that Fitzgerald last year sought and obtained from the Justice Department permission to widen his investigation from the leak itself to the possibility of cover-ups, perjury and obstruction of justice by witnesses. This has renewed the old saying from the days of the Watergate scandal, that the cover-up can be more legally and politically dangerous than the crime.

    The second is that NATO sources have confirmed to United Press International that Fitzgerald's team of investigators has sought and obtained documentation on the forgeries from the Italian government.

    Fitzgerald's team has been given the full, and as yet unpublished report of the Italian parliamentary inquiry into the affair, which started when an Italian journalist obtained documents that appeared to show officials of the government of Niger helping to supply the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein with Yellowcake uranium. This claim, which made its way into President Bush's State of the Union address in January, 2003, was based on falsified documents from Niger and was later withdrawn by the White House.

    This opens the door to what has always been the most serious implication of the CIA leak case, that the Bush administration could face a brutally damaging and public inquiry into the case for war against Iraq being false or artificially exaggerated. This was the same charge that imperiled the government of Bush's closest ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, after a BBC Radio program claimed Blair's aides has "sexed up" the evidence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

    http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051023-104217-9679r
     
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    This opens the door to what has always been the most serious implication of the CIA leak case, that the Bush administration could face a brutally damaging and public inquiry into the case for war against Iraq being false or artificially exaggerated.
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    The Whitehouse plumber must be inundated with brick removal calls...
     
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    wow...why does the image of Bush doing the Nixon two finger salute come to mind? Or is that just me daydreaming again?
     
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    You're daydreaming. Assuming Bush gave any salute at all, it would be a one-finger job.



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  15. hotballa

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    heh. Got a question for the right wingers out there who know how to use the Internet(s) :D

    Which would you rather have running the office?

    a guy who lies about getting laid? or a guy who lies about nuclear weapons and then sends 2,000 of our youth to die in a country where the majority hates them with a passion? yeah, real good job ;)
     
  16. hotballa

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    bleh, then maybe at least Cheney or Rove. Cmon, throw a moderate a bone
     
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    Hey, I remember watching Nixon do his departure scene. It was surreal. Hell, it was beyond surreal. I can imagine the Bush team coaching the guy as he goes to the copter, assuming they don't nix the "departure scene," which they might very well do, should the (please, please! save the country from this idiot!!) opportunity arise. And I'm more moderate than some of my friends here, lol!



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  18. mc mark

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    To hell with the plumber.

    They better be talking to a good proctologist.
     
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    Top Ten Things We Will Soon Learn About Patrick Fitzgerald

    1. He Murdered Vincent Foster

    2. Is Son Of A Liberal Elitist Doorman

    3. Claims He Spent Christmas, 1983 In Cambridge; Actually Was In Somerville

    4. Casey Sheehan Would Be Ashamed Of Him

    5. Is Irish, Not That We're Implying There's Anything Sinister About His Frequent Blackouts

    6. Fathered John McCain's Illegitimate Black Child

    7. Charles Krauthammer Thinks He's Crazy, And Krauthammer Is A Psychiatrist

    8. Let's Not Forget That The Vatican—The Center Of His Religion—Is The Great w**** Of Revelation 17

    9. A Friend Of Mine Knows The Cousin Of The Neighbor Of Someone Who Worked With Him In 1986 Who Says the Coffee Machine In The Office Cost 50 Cents But Sometimes You Would Put In A Quarter And It Would Start Working Which Meant it Had Eaten The Quarter Of The Person Ahead of You And Once They Saw Fitzgerald Get Coffee Like This Which Meant He Essentially Stole A Quarter From Someone In The Office, Which Really Brings Up The Character Issue

    10. Michael Moore Is Fat


    Enough fantasy, how about a little reality ...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/358657p-305630c.html
    "He's a vile, detestable, moralistic person with no heart and no conscience who believes he's been tapped by God to do very important things," one White House ally said, referring to special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.
     
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    "Whitehouse Ally" could describe half the country. is that really a newsworthy source?
     

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