Hope you're not too tired. We're just getting started. And halfbreed uh no, the reason the dems are making a "big fight" out of this is because a felony might have been committed and by all rights Rove should be tried for treason. But I know how some folks are okay with that.
This article really hits home. Wilson did nothing other than expose something that was incorrect that Bush said. Wilson set the record straight, it made Bush look bad, and so somebody commites a felony to make up for it, and the felony put Americans and American interests at risk.
Off-topic, but here it goes; My girlfriend has been reading this thread, and has come to the conclusion that basso is a yahoo. I, on the other hand, have the utmost respect for his viewpoints and hope that my girlfriend's revelation will not hurt basso's substantial feelings.
once again, you've failed to acknowledge Wilson's report has since been proven false. that was the whole context of Rove's super-duper, double deep dark chocolate, secret background briefing. Wilson exposed nothing, other than his own partisanship, and you continue to reveal yours by continuing to peddle a line that was proven a lie over two years ago. if you can't be accurate, at least get current.
basso spin it all you want with your convoluted rantings.. Wilson was right about WMDs, Bush was wrong. And Rove is a felon. nighty night
Are you talking about the report from England? lol. Are you talking about the non-existent nuclear program we found in Iraq? There has been nothing that has proven Wilson's report wrong, and everything we have found since then has shown it to be accurate.
That's irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether Rove ratted her out...no matter what the results of Wilson's report. Rove had access to CIA info. As such, he has a certain obligation to understand the full nature of CIA matters before spouting off. Ignorance is not a defense!!! As an advisor to the Pres, I expect him to know this kind of stuff. If Rove didn't know she was undercover, that is AS BAD if not worse, than knowingly ratting her out. Basso, BigTexxx, TJ, I noticed not ONE of you have bothered to rebut the Rove is a Liar part. Rove has no credibility on the matter because he's already been demonstrated as a lier. Why do you continue to stick up for him when he has no credibility?
basso is like the little dutch boy, except there's too many leaks in his dike to plug. This is classic stuff. Keep it up.
The really funny thing is that even if you concede (I don't of course, but even if you did) the Republican talking points- Plame sent her husband on a Nigerian boondogle. Wilson came back and lied like a rug out of partisan spite. Plame was not an undercover agent at the time her identity was revealed. It still doesn't even come close to justifying Rove's actions as admitted by his own lawyer. If all of the above was true, shouldn't this situation have been handled through official channels? Is the legitimate way of dealing with it to discuss the actions of a CIA employee with a journalist? It is established fact that Plame is an employee of the CIA and she was working on WMD proliferation issues. Rove, for whatever reason, chose to discuss her with a journalist. Either he didn't know her area of operations, or he knew and didn't stop to think how this might negatively effect Plame's work on WMD proliferation (whether she was undercover or not), or he knew and didn't care how his actions might interfere with ongoing operations. Under the kindest interpretation Rove is stunningly careless and stupid. Under the common senses interpretation he is a traitor.
Excellent post, gif, but don't expect a response that does it justice from Bush/Rove's ardent defenders. Many of us here who are liberal Democrats, or of similar persuasion, have slammed our prominent political leaders at one time or another. I certainly have... Clinton, Kerry, Hillary, Edwards (who I voted for in the primary)... they've all been slammed by me on more than one occasion. That seems impossible for basso, Giddy (on vacation, bud? I was!), Trader_J, texxx, and the others. I know Republicans who are astonished by the direction their party has taken since 2000. They are angered at the ****-up Bush has created in Iraq by simply deciding to invade and occupy the country, much less the fiasco pre-war planning for post-war Iraq has turned out to be, and on and on. The friends of Bush/Rove here seem to have a mental block when it comes to acknowledging the faults and screwups of the Administration. As intelligent as some of them are, it's enough to wonder if something is being put into their bottled water, somewhere, or if Fox News has some hidden brainwashing program for obsessed watchers... turning them into Bush/Rove zombies, lol. Oh well. At least things are getting more entertaining around here. I was really getting worried. And I owe Clutch an apology. I've always assumed that he gave MacBeth the boot for a reason I'd missed. Never assume! Sorry Clutch. Clearly, MacBeth did whatever it was he did for his own reasons. My bad. (but, about rimrocker... ) Keep D&D Civil!! Humor Welcome!
Thanks. The Republican response to the Plame scandal has been a interesting case study in "flooding the zone." Of course, this is necessary because the simple well-established facts of the case are so damning.
ACTION ALERT: STAND AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC LYNCHING OF KARL ROVE! SEND A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO AMERICA'S #1 SON! ATTENTION TRUE PATRIOTS: Once again, the hateful Democratic attack machine has shifted into high gear, intent on abusing facts and iron-clad evidence to turn Americans against beloved Presidential pal and über-patriot, Karl Rove. You can do your part to soften the trauma of this travesty by sending Karl a personalized e-mail of support and understanding. Simply the pre-made email below to tell Karl how you're positive that he's INNOCENT – and even if he had, say, determined that compromising our nation's security by outing some globe-trotting b**** in a power suit whose farts stink like foie gras and martinis just to even a petty score, well then good on him, buster! -----Begin Message----- From: [YOU] Sent: [NOW] To: Karl C. Rove [karl_c._rove@who.eop.gov] Subject: AMERICA SUPPORTS YOU KARL! Dear Karl Rove: I just wanted to tell you that no matter how much indisputable evidence those fact-obsessed intellectual reporters release about you betraying America, I join the President in not caring diddly-squat about so-called national security when the only war that matters is the one we're waging against Democrats. So that makes you TOPS in my book! Anyway, however it happened, that bimbo Valerie Plame got what she deserved for marrying a moron who spouted crazy talk about Saddam bin Laden not having all those Nukepox Laser Deathrays you made President Bush promise we'd find. Heck, she should be happy that you only assassinated his CHARACTER! Well, I would say don't let this 'Plame Game' get you down, but I'm sure you're already orchestrating your greatest-yet Machiavellian stratagem (replete with Clintonesque legalistic parsings) to slither out of doing any prison time - especially since you were polite enough not to use Mrs. Wilson's first name. So good luck with the indictments and likely cover-up conspiracy investigation, and next time you're whispering him sweet nothings, please tell Bob Novak I think his waxy tufts of silver ear hair are massively SEXY - in a totally non-homosexual way, of course! Sincerely, [YOU] -----End Message----- Brought to you by www.WhiteHouse.org
Rove was the source of the leak, but items like this will keep him out of any serious trouble... ___________________ CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins. The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003. "Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities. full article
Cheetah I have maintained during this whole thread that I have no illusions that Rove will "legalese" his way out of this. I expect it. But no matter what happens to him, this whole affair will once again show the world what slimballs this administration is. And how they will say or do anything to stay in power.
Olberman did a great job of putting this into perspective. This is amazing. Valerie Plame was bravely serving her country. She was an NOC operative at the CIA. Her area of expertise was WMD. That is an area so important that our president sent American soldiers into harms way where we have lost thousands of them. We are fighting a war on terror and Valerie Plame was an asset in that battle. Karl Rove certainly revealed her identity. It may be that she wasn't out of the country in the last five years. It may be that she was planned to be sent out of the country in the next week, and that was ruined. It is certainly a fact that her undercover company which was also a front for people who were in the field was ruined all because Rove wanted some political payback. Yet Basso, and others will defend this and deflect from that point by trying to say that Wilson lied. As has been pointed out, it doesn't matter whether Wilson lied(he didn't). Rove still exposed Plame's identity. Remember the statute doesn't say revealed the operative's name, it says revealed the operative's identity. When Rove revealed that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA he did just that. All the talk from TJ, Bigtexxx, and Basso about honoring and protecting those that serve our country, and yet now they are defending a man who's own lawyer admits he blew the indentity of an undercover agent who's expertise was WMD(worth starting a war over.) and a valuable commodity in fighting terror. They claim that she only worked at CIA headquarters so it wasn't a secret or a big deal. I don't think other people serving the nation and Langley feel like they don't matter. By the way the building is full of a number of people who have NOC status, so Plame wasn't out of the ordinary. This is the same administration that leaked the name of an Al Qaeda infiltrator who was in touch with Al Qaeda leadership and able to get valuable information and had it ruined. The war on terror in the hands of these people is dangerous. Instead of discussing Rove they try and claim that Wilson lied about who sent him to Niger. The funny thing is that the CIA has already said that Plame didn't have the authority to send him. She could recommend him or be there in a meeting, but she didn't have the authority to send Wilson, according to the CIA. Furthermore Cheney admits he had questions about Niger and wanted it investigated. If the CIA acted because of Cheney's concern which is what they claim, then Wilson is correct and truthful in what he says. Look at his own report. He never claimed that Cheney personally asked him to go. They claim Wilson is a partisan although he voted for Bush in 2000. The moral of the story is that we should all love our country enough to deprive it of dedicated agents who happen to be qualified to help deal with one of the most serious threats(WMD) we face. If we really loved our nation as much as these good Americans we would do all we could to blow the cover of intel officers involved in the war on terror, and then try to smear anyone who questions us for it. Way to go Patriots!
