They were two first round picks Sam.......Aaron Brooks was a late first round pick. Carl Landry an early 2nd rounder.... You could trade both of them today in a package deal because they are tradeable assets. That is my point.....Donte Green has been nothing yet...but he is only 19 or 20....and the 23rd pick might have gotten another Aaron Brooks or similar player. That is exactly my point.....we traded assets for a one year rental, and got nothing back for it.... And now that the organization is looking for another superstar player since our two guys are always injured...you need assets to make that happen. Trading for Artest was a stop gap, that didn't work, and worse than that.....they didn't get any return on him and his expiring contract. To me that is not a good move. I sould see that argument.......but just never felt they were a real threat. DD
Donte Green had a dismal rookie season. Our pick would have been at the end of the first round. I had SO much fun watching the Portland and LA series. Glad we made the trade. Stick Green and a first rounder on this squad and we are not really any better off
You seem to be basing your "should have traded Artest at the trade deadline" mantra on your mistaken thought that both McGrady and Yao were injured at that time.
Um, we almost beat LA. Injuries caught up with us. Do you have amnesia? That wasn't worth losing Donte Green and a late pick in what was considered one of the weakest drafts in decades?
We didn't trade Aaron Brooks or Carl Landry - we traded DONTE GREENE. not a first round pick. Not a second round pick DONTE GREENE is your metric. Hindsight works both ways. You don't seem to have figured this out. But since you are getting raped in your poll, I assume the rest of the BBS has.
Not at all, I think Ron never fit.......especially with TMac.....and felt his personality would be a bad influence in the club house... DD
Taking the eventual NBA champs to 7 games and they were NOT contenders? It is probable they would have beaten the Lakers had Yao remained healthy and you don't think they were contenders? Be honest now (and not hindsighted), prior to game one of the Lakers series, did you think the Rockets had a decent shot to win the series?
Donte Greene may indeed turn out to be awful, but he is a tradeable asset.... And right now, if he was on the team...he could be packaged in a trade, Ron, well, he just walked away for nothing. OTOH, I may have the honor of creating the most lopsided poll in BBS history. DD
No.....I thought the Rockets would get beaten by the Lakers...... I was happy they won 3 games, but IMO, it would have been a monumental upset for the Rockets to win the series... I did think the winner of that series would win the championship, unfortunatly I figured it was the Lakers. DD
A tradeable asset? Or a 3-year guaranteed salary albatross? You know they could sign your ****** from off your couch in Austin to a 3 year deal and call you a tradeable asset, and package you off to some team in need of cap relief...but you are not.
No, he WAS a tradeable asset and he landed us Ron Artest. Now? he's just a young, undeveloped player with a guaranteed contract that no one would give a hill of beans for
That wasn't my question. My question was did you think they had a decent (i.e. reasonable) shot to win the series. You can certainly think they would lose, and at the same time could also think they had a decent shot to win it.
Again, you take a basketball discussion and turn it into a personal insult. You are capable of making the point in a much better manner Sam. DD
I never thought they had a shot to win it.....was hoping they would...you know pull off a Nuggets vs Sonics deal...but I gave them a very small chance....below 10%. DD
Great and we'd be waiting around another 5 years of so for them to develop and mature and most likely trade them away for more assets. We'd NEVER get over the hump with that mindset! We got Ariza. As much as I think people are overrating him, that is something. Much more something than Donte Green. DaDa, now you have gone off your rocker! We were in first place in the Southwest for a period of time....with Ron Artest in the lineup!!! We pushed the NBA's Golden Boy to a pivotal 7th game....with Ron Artest in the lineup!!! Don't give me your "well he wasn't efficient" nonsense, because neither was Shane Battier. The fact of the matter is that the Houston Rockets took the NBA Champs to the limit, moreso than any other playoff team. If Yao and T-Mac hadn't gotten injured who knows how much damage they could have done. Maybe we should have traded Ron and foregone that possibility, but hey we'd have a couple more scrub first rounders that (odds are) would never pan out. Yeah, I see the logic in that. Well said Blake.
This isn't a discussion, so much as your standard DaDakota "I'm right, and here's my opinion, so even if I have to lie and say a bunch of things that are wrong, and look silly, it's my opinion anyway, and it's right " thread. Nothing we haven't seen before, nothing we won't see again...and again...and again.
Huh? I am saying you would have more tradeable assets......not that you wait for them to develop. Depending on whom you got for Ron at the deadline it might have made the team better. What if we got Brad Miller and John Salmons for his expiring deal? Sacremento probably does that as they were looking to shed contracts for expiring deals. DD
Well you did say this: They did that, and put some doubt in the Lakers minds, the Rockets can beat this team, they know it, and more importantly, the Lakers know it. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4489055&postcount=1
Donte for Artest was a face saver. Imagine if the Rockets had kept Donte after trading Batum for him.
