Wow, what a sticky subject, but you all know that. When I see those pictures, I don't know how I can be pro-choice. I mean, yes, they are true, but they are placed there for pure shock value. I do believe that life begins when sperm meets egg, but that's me. I am a noted liberal on this forum, so I will say that I have no right to tell women what to do with their body. But, some of those girls that were arguing "pro-choice" seemed like they were doing it for show, and they weren't saying much. One of the girls was misquoting bible scriptures, and many women just sounded insensitive. I'm a liberal, but abortion is NOT a form of birth control. I think it should only be used in cases of rape and when the woman's life is endangered. I am prepared for the on-slaught. ------------------ "Roses are red. Violets are blue. I'm a schizophrenic and so am I."
Woohoo!! I didn't expect the rally to be in front Gregory. And to think I avoided the west mall all day just to stay away. I was walking back from class and I managed to see the commotion. The majority of those in attendence were female and there was a bunch of security. The rally is still going on as I type this. When I left everyone was chanting something or screaming what was on their mind. The big display that Baqui99 mentioned really didn't offend me, but they were out there in terms of disgustingness. I mean those are actual pictures and the pro-lifers are using them to get their point across, no harm in that. Honestly, from the feeling I get around campus, I think that the guys could pretty much care less, but a lot of girls I ran into were talking about it - whether they were at the rally or not. Oh well, it was fun from my vantage point watching everyone stirring up everyone else's emotions. I just hope a riot doesn't break out over there. -Turbo
What gives an aborting woman the right to determine what happens to the baby's body? Who speaks for the PURELY INNOCENT CHILD? Isn't her little body just as sacred? What choice do you think she would make-- if anyone would ask? Way too many (if not most) abortions are motivated by considerations of birth control. Yeah, the pictures are shocking, but so is the reality of the aborton procedure and the abortion industry. Don't kid yourself; it's not like a meal being refused and sent back to the kitchen. A human life is severed from its life support and suffocated. It has a personality; it can smile, laugh, and wince all. Don't even ask about the late-term abotions. However ugly it is, if we face up to the reality of what actually goes on, then maybe we will stop deluding ourselves and justifying a self-serving, brutal practice. I think there is a place for medical abortions when a mother's life is at risk. You wanna talk about choice, now THERE'S A CHOICE! But the baby-flushers hide behind the legitimate medical considerations to protect their casual and brutal "right to choose." I'm not even a Christian, but I can't wait for the day when our society grasps hold of the responsibility to protect her young. This quasi-genocide HAS GOT TO END. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com
There was a minor "scuffle" yesterday. Hope that is the end of it. ------------------ "Roses are red. Violets are blue. I'm a schizophrenic and so am I."
Damn straight! Like I said put it in a tent, and you won't have to worry about it being censored. ------------------
The billboards have hit U of H. They're sitting out in front of the MD Anderson Library. Pretty nasty stuff So if any fellow houstonians are curious about what these gigantic pictures are all about. It's gone local. ------------------ Mmmm ... open-faced club sand wedge.
Kim -- Excellent point!! I don't know why people who claim that these fetuses aren't living humans would be offended. It's just a piece of meat, right? Maybe it's so distasteful because it's clear these are living humans?? Maybe it's so distasteful to see the actual results of the policy they support? My thought is it's convicting because people who support abortion find the images disturbing...it's easy to support something when you don't see the consequences of it. Much harder when you learn that aborted babies sometimes aren't aborted effectively and live for days in a state of loveless pain outside of the womb. This is human life and there is nothing more precious. I would hope that you don't have to be Christian to recognize that. If you do, then this world sucks even worse than I thought. My hope for these pictures is that they make people realize this is more than just a woman's right to her own body. Clearly these pictures aren't of the woman's body...this is the effect on the body of the other human being involved. And this is what it looks like when you kill it. If you're offended by that kind of strong language or graphic pictures, there's a reason. You should be offended. You should be offended that this is condoned in our society. Someone said she supports abortion but isn't supporting what happens to these fetuses in these pictures. Huh?? That's like saying you support a terrorist attack but don't support the casualties inherent in the attack. There are consequences to everything...this is the consequence of abortion. If you can live with it, fine. But in my book it's the taking of another life and, to me, there's nothing worse. ------------------ [This message has been edited by MadMax (edited March 29, 2001).]
Sweet, we haven't had an abortion debate in a few days now. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
Max, A lot of people do not want to see pictures of open heart surgery, either (much less ones that are 20 ft tall). Doesn't mean they think those surgeries are bad. I'm not arguing anything about abortion here, so please do not try to say I am...merely addressing your argument. ------------------ Whitey will pay.
Hey RocketmanTex, who peed in your beer? I think it's a decent analogy and the aborted fetuses agree with me. If you can take a moment from your penchant for insult, why don't you come up with a better analogy. I'll tell you right now that no analogy is perfect (so I'll cut you a wider berth than you gave me) and that this is, by definitiion, an ugly topic so I expect your analogy to be crude and/or ugly. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com
Nobody peed in my beer, pal. You just need to increase the amount of fish in your diet. Comparing aborted fetuses to humans killed in the Holocaust is ridiculous. As someone who has had relatives killed in the Holocaust as well as who has a relative whose life was saved by aborting a pregnancy that was killing her, I find your analogy extremely insulting. ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
Rocketman -- come on ..I doubt very seriously that he's taking the position that steps shouldn't be taken to protect the life of the mother if carrying the baby is killing her. He primarily talked about abortion as a birth control device. As for the heart surgery...there is no contentious issue surrounding heart surgery. No one is saying it is bad or morally wrong. The pictures of aborted fetuses are being used to prove a point...the point being that it's not just a woman's body that is affected by an abortion. He's showing something real...if it offends you, sorry. This is the very real consequence of abortion. And he's showing that because he, like myself, is disturbed with the notion that people are comfortable with this and condone it. This is absolutely nothing like showing pictures from a heart surgery. Let me know the next time you have a debate over heart surgery, though. ------------------
Rocketman Tex: Yeah, fetuses are human beings too. I know that won't get unanimous support here but I can't hide from the fact that it's true. My comments in no way should be construed as unsympathetic towards victims of the holocaust. I am truly sorry about your relatives but I'm equally sorry for all the INNOCENT children who are killed for selfish reasons by adults who are supposed to take care of them. MadMax is right, if you had followed all of the arguments I've made against abortion, the situation where your relative's life was saved is one -- I think the only one-- that I can abide: a medically-driven decision made by the mother-to-be and her doctor. Fish in my diet? Is that supposed to be a clever dietary suggestion about brain food? Let's just all lay off the innocent children and this furor will go away..... ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited March 29, 2001).]
Max, My only point was that people do not want to see pictures of bloody, exposed anything. That could be a reason for complaints. I was not arguing the strategy of using such pictures for a "cause" or any such thing. ------------------ Whitey will pay.
Well its almost one year to the date and the traveling anti-abortion exhibit is back! I haven't seen it myself so I can't compare it to last year's. According to the Daily Texan, Justice For All decided to close up 2 days early this year. Here's a picture of students dumping hangers in the middle of the West Mall.
Apparently there's a lawsuit involving UH and 1 of the group's that sponsors this. UH wouldn't allow them to put their billboards in front of the library, but instead in a smaller less populated area of campus.
Would a 15 foot collage with the soiled pants of people just put to death juxtaposed with the faces on the recently dead persons and their families further the debate about the death penalty?
