[War] Trump surrenders to Iran in a humiliating defeat

Why? Genuinely curious.

 

Your identity is everything to these people. For them its Celtics or the Lakers. Even if Magic Johnson literally started passing the ball to Kevin McHale, and Kareem sky hooked shot into the wrong basket, do you think Lakers fans would suddenly realize they should be Celtics fans?? Even if they are mad at Kareem, and Magic, the loyalty to the Lakers is going to keep them from ever realizing they are rooting for the wrong team.

MAGA and Trump is a lifestyle and cultural brand. It goes far beyond their healthcare, or health in general. These people don't care to understand tax policy, or foreign interventions. They ONLY CARE ABOUT CULTURE AND IDENTITY within their own pockets of civilization. It's how they listen to music, hang out with friends, worship in church, etc. etc.

I just don't think people realize how important the identity and culture of MAGA is to a large swath of America.

Just like with the Lakers or Celtics fans, they might have less enthusiasm some years over others, but NEVER assume they will jump ship when the rubber hits the road. We should also assume that just because Trump's approval is polling very low (even beyond the "Bush Line" of mid 30's during 2008) that they are not going to find an excuse to come back home during an election where they are forced to choose between the Lakers and Celtics.... or MAGA vs Woke Libtard Trans Dumbocrats.

 

Your logic boils down to:

- The agreement was working. Iran had no path to a nuke while it was in effect
- Iran having a nuke is unacceptable
- Therefore, you support killing the agreement that was working so Iran can have a path to a nuke


P.S. "It expires" isn't a flaw unique to this deal. That's just what agreements are. The answer to that is renegotiation. Not abandonment. Not war.

 

Them being foreign has a lot to do with this conversation, IMO. It clearly showing how much you are projecting here.

That they are r****ded?

Because Kamala being "awful" is not, and has never been a globally visible or relevant issue? Why would it be? She's never been president? How much do you know about Judith Collins or Chirs Hipkins? Or the people who lost recent elections in the UK/France/Canada/Australia? The actions of a president is what makes the headlines globally.

It's abundantly clear of how unaware I am of your theory on American politics? Maybe? Who cares? Feel free to explain it, maybe I and other will agree, maybe we won't. Don't assume that your observations are so wonderful that everybody else is just overwhelmed with agreement.

You bringing up the Dems, while attacking the person for blindly supporting team politics is whats so absurd. They're country is a parliamentary system, there's like 10+ parties. You we're the only one bringing up DemVRepub team politics.

Not taken over, but co-opted, not sure if I understand the difference here

I've actually never heard of the DSA, and had to google it after reading your last post. I don't like tyranny, so I'll keep an eye out.

The left letting 123 run rampant? Is the right letting k9 or tinman run rampant? We don't control these people, I'm not a moderator. I have called out Astro for attacking people, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

For many, it was never about economic anxiety. Those with true economic anxiety act very differently. They are the ones who swing widely from one side to the other. Don't put them (not saying you are) in the same bucket as the others, otherwise you end up alienating them, which, frankly, I see quite often, at least on online forums.

 

Gas prices

 

A smart negotiator would have renewed.

 

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!

8:25 11 Nov 13

 

A dumbazz would've done that deal to begin with. In no way should Iran ever be allowed to have a pathway to a nuke. I cant believe some posters are good with Iran haivng a nuke. Well actually I can.

 

Noytrue and never will be true regardless of how many times you repeat it. Do you want a nuclear armed Iran controlling the Straight? Not to mention the threat to the USA/Israel. These people are crazy people, you cant trust them.

 

The path is in Trump's dementia ladened mind. Prove me wrong.

 

I asked you last night and I'll ask again:

The entire reason for the current ceasefire is to negotiate a deal with Iran. You claim that any deal with Iran is inherently untrustworthy. Will you criticize President Trump for any deal he might make with Iran?

Furthermore, shouldn't this suggest that Trump is mishandling the war as he is pursuing a deal instead of a full invasion?

 

The turnaround in recruitment started under Biden. Both the Army and Navy recognized that there were simply not enough potential recruits that met qualifications, so they decided to create courses for new recruits to get them up to speed academically. In essence, the services started building the recruits they wanted instead of competing for them with colleges and businesses.

https://www.army.mil/article/263129...ory_course_to_expand_based_on_initial_success

By the end of Biden's term, the Army had moved over 25,000 through this new program.

Other actions helping recruitment are an increased signing bonus, freer use of waivers to get unqualified recruits in, and of course, the big one that Hegseth is responsible for--changing the recruiting standards including raising age requirements to 42 and relaxing drug use standards.

We will see how sustainable the increase is when the numbers for the Iran War months come in.

 

I mean you have to make like 4 or 5+ odd connections for that to be your take away from my post. I didn't say anything close to that.

His point, I think, was why am I calling him out when you go around calling people all sorts of names, and I responded that I have. I've reported you a few times for personal attacks as well, I don't think it does anything.

And that's all I was commenting on you about, nothing to do with you dictating his politics.

 

It is what you stated. You can of course say you misstated, but don't come back with 'it's not true, I didn't say that.' If you do insist on that, you are doing the famous Donald dance.

 

Damn thats probably the best analogy i have seen on why people vote trump, respect to you sir....

What in your opinion is causing this 'identity' to form? is it lack of social direction/belonging? education? Like loyalty to a basketball team or even a country is divided geographically, loyalty to people is divided by race/culture/history, i don't get loyalty to MAGA.

IMO loyalty is to my country, not a specific political party. Different party/leader's policies can be more or less effective/suitable in different situations. Countries economy, demographics and geopolitics change, and that will require different types of leadership. There is no one political system/party that is perfect for all situations. Like in the west how we scream democracy, but it is not perfect (trump, hitler? lol), it is definitely not going to work in every cutlure/country the same. I don't get die hard MAGA how voting for a governing party/leader becomes loyalty or identity. Isn't the core essence of democracy to be voting for the best suited ruling party for the country? based on merit, policies and direction, real statistics and not opinions and identities?

 

haven't seen anyone ask in a couple of days, so, is the straight open yet?

 

You didn't answer my questions

Do you really want a nuclear armed Iran?

Because if you do you're an idiot.

This is really pretty simple.

 

trump announced, in 2015, that Iran's nuclear assets was obliterated.