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[WaPo] Trump moves to wrest control of USAID as Musk says, ‘We’re shutting it down’

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    Scrolling through here, you see the human far-right troll-bots just spamming the thread. You get a shot here and there from the other side (the one that might mention unelected gajillionaire [who bankrolled Trump's re-election] Elon Musk is shutting down the federal agency that was investigating Starlink's activity in Eastern Europe.
     
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    You seriously think Donald Trump gives a s**t about anyone other than himself or Ivanka.
    That's stupidity on another level.
     
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    @rimrocker faints.
     
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    Michael Benz? You mean "Frame Game" ? The guy that has been associated with the Trump administration for 8 years .... and has ties to White Nationalists, has said that the Jews control the media and are responsible for the decline of the white race... has called himself a white identitarian, and has said white people need to unite as a race?

    That guy?

    You claiming that guy?

    You should be ****ing ashamed; I am for the country--- but you do you.
     
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    https://www.thefp.com/p/defending-usaid-is-political-suicide

    Defending USAID Is Political Suicide for Democrats
    Once again, the party shows it has learned nothing from November 5.
    By Ruy Teixeira
    02.09.25 — U.S. Politics

    If you want evidence that Democrats have learned nothing from their November 5 shellacking, just watch this video.

    It’s from a protest outside the Capitol last week at which Democratic senator Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, one of several top lawmakers in attendance, led chants of “Hey, hey, ho, ho! Elon Musk has got to go!”—and vowed to protect USAID in the courts, or by threatening parliamentary maneuvers against President Trump’s nominees.

    In policy terms, the Democrats have a point. The legality of DOGE’s strike on the agency is unclear. For the incredible amount of wasteful stuff in its budget—why did USAID grant $1.5 million for “diversity, equity, and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”—USAID also provides basic aid, like nutrition and health assistance, to needy countries.

    But politically, none of that matters a whit. Trump occupies the high ground in this fight, which is probably why he and Musk picked it. If voters dislike anything, it’s bureaucracy and foreign aid. And USAID is a 10,000-employee bureaucracy—housed in a palatial building on prime downtown real estate—that spends $40 billion a year on other countries.

    “You don’t fight every fight. You don’t swing at every pitch,” as the former Democratic Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel told Politico. “And my view is—while I care about the USAID as a former ambassador—that’s not the hill I’m going to die on.”

    Skepticism about foreign aid is one of the most consistent and durable findings of public opinion research. In a 2023 AP-NORC poll, 69 percent of respondents thought U.S. government spending in this area was “too much”; 20 percent, “about right”; and just 10 percent “too little.” In contrast, support for more spending in most domestic areas (healthcare, education, infrastructure, Social Security, etc.) is quite strong.

    As veterans like Emanuel know, anti–foreign aid sentiment runs highest among working-class voters, precisely the people who have been defecting from the Democrats for Trump, and without whose votes the party cannot recover. Cutting foreign aid spending is about 10 points more popular among voters without college degrees than among the college-educated.

    For many of the latter, who constitute the core of the modern Democratic Party, it’s self-evident that spending millions fighting climate change or promoting gender equity abroad serves U.S. interests and discharges a moral obligation.

    Chris Van Hollen epitomizes this kind of Democrat. A son of Foreign Service officers, he was born in Pakistan, spent much of his childhood in Asia, and acquired degrees from Swarthmore and Harvard; his first work experience included stints on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff. Before winning a Senate seat in 2016, he represented a suburban D.C. House district inhabited by many State Department and USAID officials.

    Defenders of foreign aid usually respond to critics by lecturing them that it represents no more than 1 percent of federal spending, and therefore they should look elsewhere to balance the budget. This argument totally misses the point that taxpayers place a higher priority on unmet needs at home.

    Americans are willing to help alleviate genuine suffering abroad, and to do so generously, but want to be assured the government has already done its best to take care of domestic needs. USAID’s budget would cover the $23 billion maintenance backlog at the national parks, for example, with money left over.

    In response to such concerns, the “only 1 percent” line provides nothing but a patronizing non sequitur.

    As David Axelrod remarked to Politico, regarding the USAID battle, “Democrats have become—in the minds of a lot of voters—an elite party, and to a lot of folks who are trying to scuffle out there and get along, this will seem like an elite passion.”
    more at the link

     
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    This is a pretty good article. Trump's game plan is to show he puts America First, damned be everything else, even if that particular "investment" is intended to serve our interest elsewhere. It's easy to go after small potatoes rather than tackle larger programs that Americans enjoy (such as Medicare and Social Security). Even if it's not legal for the executive branch to flex is authority over Congress created program, if the legislative branch is okay looking the other way for a little while and they can waste their time fighting in court, the end result will still be that they did what they could to ensure resources stay in America until we solve our **** here.
     
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    I don't think this is it.

    USAID is another tool in the toolkit to maintain US hegomony through soft power. To think a admin that has expressed happiness about returning to "manifest destiny" wants to end American global hegomony just doesn't make sense.

    Maybe they think they can maintain global hegomony through only using hard power with no chill by going full storm trooper to force poorer countries to allow us to extract labor and resources from them instead of doing that endeavor through some good will which is actually. Ore cost effective than going full storm trooper.

    GOP voters(not reffering to you here just to be clear) are stupid in a sense that believe USAID exists as a altruistic endeavor. In fact Trump's entire narrative of prior administrations doing bad deals for Americans because of being "too nice" is absurdly naive. Like someone has to be a very naive person to believe we got USAID for the sole purpose of feeling good about ourselves.

    No the purpose of gutting USAID is privatization.

    See the American capital class is stuck with their maximization of wealth. They have maximized efficiencies, maximized economy of scale etc. There is no more sincere genuine innovation. Just charlatan salesmen trying to create the next pump and dump now. The only next viable step to obtain a new level of wealth is ransacking the federal government and replacing it private entities like Palantir so public money gets funneled into private capital to an entire new absurd level.

    The cyberpunkification of America is accelerating
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/06/health/usaid-clinical-trials-funding-trump.html

    The stop-work order on U.S.A.I.D.-funded research has left thousands of people with experimental drugs and devices in their bodies, with no access to monitoring or care.

    Asanda Zondi received a startling phone call last Thursday, with orders to make her way to a health clinic in Vulindlela, South Africa, where she was participating in a research study that was testing a new device to prevent pregnancy and H.IV. infection.

    The trial was shutting down, a nurse told her. The device, a silicone ring inserted into her vagina, needed to be removed right away.

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    The stop-work order was so immediate and sweeping that the research staff would be violating it if they helped the women remove the rings. But Dr. Leila Mansoor, a scientist with the Centre for the AIDS Programme of Research in South Africa (known as CAPRISA) and an investigator on the trial, decided she and her team would do so anyway.

    “My first thought when I saw this order was, There are rings in people’s bodies and you cannot leave them,” Dr. Mansoor said. “For me ethics and participants come first. There is a line.”

    In the communities where her organization works, people have volunteered for more than 25 years to test H.I.V. treatments, prevention products and vaccines, contributing to many of the key breakthroughs in the field and benefiting people worldwide.

    That work relied on a carefully constructed web of trust that has now been destroyed, Dr. Mansoor said. Building that trust took years in South Africa, where the apartheid regime conducted medical experiments on Black people during the years of white rule. Those fears are echoed in a long history of experimentation by researchers and drug companies in developing countries and in marginalized populations in the United States.
     
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    GOP lawmaker, an avowed anti-communists who voted for Trump 3 times, warns
    if the US pulls out of USAID programs, China will move in fast



    Gutting USAID programs would make it easier for China to implement its one-belt-one-road program that stretches around the globe.

     
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    Cleverly disguised "I'm-a-moron-who-installs-Malware and I don't know what USAID is" post
     
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    but it’s ok to be a “black identitarian” and to say that black people need to “unite as a race”?

    both are ridiculous in todays world. Equally ridiculous.

    I don’t even know who Benz is. However, we have students and professors on our college campuses, who all vote dem, saying much worse things about Jews than that.
     
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    So you are referencing a KNOWN Russian influencer.....a Putin b****?
     

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