What a great line !! If a black comedian said "White people are lazy" I think he would get away with it more than a white comic saying "Black people are lazy" Great example PGab. DD
If a black comedian said: "The thing about white guys is, they all have boring jobs. Man, who wants to put on a tie everyday and work 10 hours for some strict ass boss like white people do?" har har har If a white comedian said: "The thing about black guys is, they cant ever get good jobs. You always see them in crappy jobs, white people always get good jobs" BOOOOOOO Yes, there most certainly is a double standard.
BTW, upon reading what I said above I realize that it may come off as racist (sort of the idea...) but what I said does not portray my beliefs at all.
On the way home from Tyler today, I was listening to XM Comedy. They played a Robin Williams bit where he was imitating a black person and talked about having a lot of sex, being a hobo and drinking Thunderbird wine. I wish this mythical double standard were true. That way, the world might've been spared Patch Adams.
Those are all tame and acceptable. It is the stereotypical stuff that is off limits. Ask Fuzzy Zoeller. DD
I just don't see what the big deal is. First off, no complaints or double standards can stop people from saying inappropriate things. If I tell jokes that minorities consider racist and, as a result, that's my problem. If it causes me from being a popular comedian, big freakin' deal. That's good ol' American capitalism. Just as people can boycott Disney for giving health benefits to gay employees, people can boycott me for being racist. That is reality. Thinking it should be different is just fantasy. Second, if you don't want the criticism, don't say something that you KNOW you'll be criticized for. If you say it anyway, be prepared to accept the flack. Being pissed about the criticism people take for saying things that are inappropriate is silly. What is that old addage about being crazy: Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results. Those who spend a lot of time complaining about the double standards with regard to race are as overly sensitive as those who see racism in every white person. It is EXACTLY the same thing. You may be b****ing about different things, but you are both still b****ing. It is such a waste of time considering all of the benefits there are to being white and male in America. If all we have to complain about is semantics, we've got it pretty damn good.
Jeff, Valid points for sure. But what harm is there in an intellectual conversation about whether a double standard exists? If it does exist, then the conversation would turn to "Why" does it exist, and at that point perhaps people could learn something. If it doesn't exist, no harm, no foul. DD
I had this conversation with someone just recently. He's a guy who is so well off, he really doesn't have to work. He got into this long diatribe this same subject and the only question that kept popping into my mind (and eventually my mouth ) was, "Why the hell do you care?" When I asked him, he honestly couldn't answer except to say it pissed him off. When I pressed him for why, it finally came out that he just didn't like that he couldn't say what he wanted to say. Wow. Poor you. Women in the same exact jobs as men average 25 percent less pay in fortune 500 companies. A poor person arrested for a crime is something like 20 times more likely to serve jail time than a wealthy person arrested and tried for the same crime. It was 74 years before a black woman won the Academy Award for best actress and only one other black woman has EVER won an Oscar. My point is that double standards exist EVERYWHERE in America and one of the least important one's, IMO, is that of what a white comedian can say on stage versus what a black one can say. It just isn't a big deal at all.
Yes it is a great example and I will tell you why. Is being lazy a negative stereotype of white people. If a black comedian said, boy white people sure are lazy, it wouldn't carry the same impact as saying it about black people, because that is not a negative stereotype of whites. The black comedian would probably get a bunch of confused looks more than anything else. Think about it in a pratical sense. What negative stereotypes of there are white people, that whites can't dance? Give me a break. Like the example fatman10 gave. Was that really offensive? The reason that most jokes about blacks are off limit is because most of them are offensive, they feed into negative, hurtful stereotypes that blacks have to deal with in everyday life. Lastly, its just all about common sense, you know what not to say. As I said earlier, look at what started thread. Should anyone really not catch a little heat for making fun of slavery. Would a black person not catch heat for making fun of the Holocaust. Its all relative.
the system of encomienda was basically slavery. natives were forced to work on the large landholdings of spanish nobles. sort of like the plantation system. the nobles were required to care for, feed and house and most importantly, christianize their people. the biggest difference b/t spanish and anglo treatment is that while indians in the u.s.a. were wiped out by a deliberate policy of extinction, natives in mexico were brought into spanish society (with force if necessary). there was intermingling of spanish and indians to the extent that now they have a whole new race of people who are spanish/indian or mestizo. basically, i would have rather been an indian in mexico than in the u.s.
