Walsh Traded Picks After Receiving Inside Information On Free-Agency?

Morey would do the trade regardless of this information being true or not. This trade gave us:

- A very good SG
- A promising PF/C
- Some first round draft picks
- The ability to do a S&T with another team this offseason.
- A comical player-mascot (Jared Jeffries)

It's a win-win trade and win-lose if it doesn't pan out for NYK.

 

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2008/06/14/poll-fans-believe-nba-is-rigged-and-lakers-celtics-was-a-set-u/

Just an idea. You dont have to crucify me for having an opinion. Nice sarcastic remarks. Do you sit on here all day practicing being sarcastic? I could list more and more reason to why it would be rigged but im definitely not putting the time into that.

 

Let's face the truth. After the way the league overview loopsided trades and deals with Boston and then LA, we all know the league will back the NY Knicks this offseason. They know is their chance to re-emerge maybe the most marketeable team of the NBA and the league won't let any team interfiere.
I wouldn't be surprised if teams with great sign n trade packages end up with none of the Big 3 FA.

 

This.

While I personally really like David Stern as a commissioner and honestly don't think he "rigged" anything, it doesn't affect the Rockets' bottom line. They were never going to be able to add a major free agent with the cap room and trade assets available to them prior to the trade deadline, hence the "Myth of 2010 Free Agency".

Now, the Rockets are loaded with valuable present and future assets. If they can parlay them into a star player like Chris Bosh, then great! If not, there is plenty to be happy about for the future of the Houston Rockets.

As for Donnie Walsh, I honestly don't believe the conspiracy theorists about him KNOWING anything. His hands were tied by an incompetent predecessor, and this was his only play. Anything else would be half-assed. For instance, as much as it may have pained him to do so, he HAD to trade Jordan Hill in order to open up the requisite amount of cap space. This, combined with Morey squeezing almost every last drop out of the Knicks' mid-term future draft assets, was a price that Walsh HAD to pay, whether he "knew" anything or not.

 

exactly. Just like orlando was giving away 1st rd picks like hot cakes so they could sign 3 max guys. They got 2 (tracy and grant), but couldnt get duncan.

 

I guess Morey is betting against the Knicks...i hope Morey and the Rockets win

 

i believe that nba players will look at new york as place where they can sign there even if a their current team wont sign and trade, beacause of new york's market ability. the ability to sign two max free agents is great acctraction to players. all new york needs is one of the big free agents to sign there and they could land another big free agents or they could split one max contracts to sign two good players

 

Bima, I don't know if Walsh had the info or not. But I don't totally agree with you that he HAD to pay. The Knicks could rebuild through the traditional route. Get a stud through high picks. Sign good FAs, etc.

Sure, it may not be as sexy as signing Lebron, and it may take a few more years before the team could get back to respectability.

As of now, if they can't catch a fish as big as Lebron, they are pretty much screwed for many years to come. They are pretty much giving away 3 lottery picks, 09, 11, and 12, and their pick this year belongs to Utah. That's 4 consecutive years. If that was Isiah, it might have been no surprise. But Walsh doesn't come across as some reckless guy to me.

 

Morey almost took the whole league for a ride when he almost got Amare for Battier, Scola and those same picks. Since that deal didn't happen, Morey will just have to move those picks for something else.

One thing I've learned about Morey is that you have to expect the unexpected. As cliche and tired as that sounds, it's totally true.

 

I thought they traded the picks for T-Mac.

What if Les, Morey, and Adelman have some sort of agreement with T-Mac about signing him after the trade, promising him at least the full MLE. They went through this elaborate scheme to make it look like it was no ones fault to make it look like it didn't work out.

If that's true

Yao / Hayes / Andersen
Scola / Hill / Jeffries
Ariza / Battier / Budinger
T-Mac / Martin / Taylor
Brooks / Lowry / (draft pick)

If both draft picks are worthy of a starting spot, Morey could cut Hayes, or Jeffries, most likely Hayes since we don't owe him anything.

What if they knew it wasn't going to work out this season when Yao went out, and that it would be much better to build for next season. Let T-Mac get to 100% with another team, re-sign him, and hope no one gets hurt and if Yao or T-Mac do get injured we will still be a threat to the Lakers.

 

No they won't...they would be ecstatic if the Knicks were relevant.

DD

 

Walsh says he won't waste the cap space on a free agent this summer, if he doesn't like them. He has his on 2011 free agents and may be looking at a 5-year period.


Rockets would rock the 2011 and 2012 draft, if the Knicks take 5 years to sign their max guys.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/melo_ing_out_ZRqUWeYykULHspxn38m6gL#ixzz0izQ4hiRV

 

Agreed on your points. My point, however, was that this was the price that Walsh HAD to pay (or, put another way, the price that Morey demanded) in order for the Knicks to dump Jeffries's contract and open the door to the possibility of adding two max players. This was going to be the ONLY way that the Knicks had a chance at Lebron this summer, and everyone knew it.

Bottom line: I don't think the Knicks will get Lebron. I don't think the Knicks will be relevant anytime soon as more than a low to middling Eastern Conference playoff team, at best. More likely, they'll be only slightly better than they are now, IF their new stars can stay healthy.

Who cares what Walsh "knows"?

 

I don't buy it. If so, then why wouldn't NY have taken our deal from the jump?They didn't go all in until we made the deal with Sac and basically said FU....

 

I really don't get what they're trying to do now anyways. Let's say they hit a homerun and get LeBron and JJ or maybe a Chris Bosh (I don't believe they have the money for that, but just for fun) Would a combination of 2 of those players be a contender? They won't have cap room for ANBODY else. Their team will be those two guys, Gallinari, and a bunch of high schoolers.

LeBron plays on a team now that even without him is awesome. With him, they're still not guarenteed anything, far from it. How do people expect LeBron and someone else make a terrible team contenders?

I seem to remember another team having a dynamic scoring and playmaking wing as well as a dynamic post player, but when you only have 4 people score in a game you're still SOL no matter how good the other two are.

 

I agree with this. Walsh wasn't ready to give up 2 first round picks and Jordan Hill to get rid of Jeffries from the beginning.

 

LeBron and Joe Johnson with Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Toney Douglas forms a good young core to build around. Lets say they can re-sign Al Harrington to about 7 mil a year (I'm thinking they can do this since they should be able to re-sign their own player regardless of cap). That's 6 players that can get them into the playoffs. The glaring hole is at the 5 and if they can get a Jermaine O'neal or a Marcus Camby just to clog up the middle I think they should be fine. Hell, if they can manage to get Brenden Haywood somehow that would be a team you can't laugh at:

Johnson
LeBron
Chandler
Gallinari
Haywood

With Harrington and Douglas coming off the bench. That's a fairly decent team to start off with.

 

Dude, it has been mentioned countless times, but I'll reiterate it once again:

The Knicks CANNOT re-sign their players to anything above the league minimum if they want to sign two max free agents.

The Knicks have to renounce their rights to guys like Al Harrington, Tracy McGrady, David Lee and Chris Duhon BEFORE they can sign Lebron and Bosh. Once their rights have been renounced, the Knicks CANNOT re-sign those guys using their Bird rights.

So, no, the Knicks will most likely be unable to bring in Lebron and Joe Johnson and still keep Harrington.

 

It was just an assumption and not meant to be stated as fact (hence, the "i think"). Sorry that I don't read every post on here.

 

No worries, man. It's just that it was mentioned by many posters in many, many posts.