Walsh has to convince 2 premier free agents to give up $60 million.

That kid looks like Durant. Lets see if he has the work ethic Durant has.

 

can't tell whether he's good or not cuz these ppl he's playing against are so bad it looks like elementary school league.

 

Sorry I am confused on how they will lose 30 million dollars, guess I am not too familiar with the ways salary works in the NBA. I know there is a luxury tax hold which lets teams go over it. How much exactly is a max contract now in days? I know we were paying T-mac around 23 million this season. Can teams go over the salary cap to sign a player a couple million more and sign a free agent. I believe the salary cap will be around 56 million with the Knicks only having 6 players under contract next season and 24 million already used.

 

for example.
if players re-sign with the same team. they can get a 7 yr 130m max deal. compare to a 6 yr only 100m max deal that they can sign with a new team.

 

Knicks before this trade still had a chance to scrape into the playoffs. They don't have to great or contenders just barely good enough to make into the top 8 of their conf.

 

They are talking about how much you can re-sign a player for. Basically the CBA is more restrictive on the length and amount of money you can offer free agents from other teams vs free agents from your own team. It doesn't really mean as much for non max contract guys, but for the superstars it means a significant amount more money can be spent by the home team vs a new team. That's why a sign and trade is a better situation for a player(to keep Bird Rights) AND a team who would otherwise lose their star with no compensation.

See Larry Bird Exception and sign and trade section in this link.

http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/Salary_Cap_101-147720-41.html

 

A player like Lebron might be able to take advantage of New York and makeup the shortfall of 30 million, but neither Wade or Bosh have that star power. Why would a team trade these guys in a sign and trade? All they have to do is call their bluff to walking away from 30 Million, no?

 

someone needs to photoshop morey onto the I am legend box cover... or photoshop a ski mask on his face.

 

what endorsements would he get that he doesn't currently get? i think he already has a quarter BILLION in endorsement deals signed already.

 

they wouldnt dare call their bluff becuase if a guy really doesnt wanna be there he Will walk. the sign and trade is a way for the team to get some draft picks and young talent instead of just losing the player outright.

 

We know Wade wants to play with LeBron. I can only imagine LeBron wants the same. New York is a big market, the LeBron and Wade pair, the lime lights and all, I don't know. If there is ever a situation for a player to pass up on 30 mil over a long period, that might be it. I just don't see s&t can put these two together. No team is locked up with 60 mil pieces CLE and MIA both want.

So I was like huh when I heard Morey said it in the press. Morey says we are in a better situation to acquire a big name FA next year than before the trade. I think he is right, but I don't agree that Knicks is at a worse position before the trade.

Bottom line, I think the opportunity for both Wade and Lebron to play in the biggest market will weigh more than 30 mil they pass up. That will be especially true if both of them don't see hopes in the playoffs this year.

 

wade and lebron will make more money winning championships and the endorsments you get form that then just being in new york...new york is mostly hype...that wears off.

 

....so I ask this question to whoever is listening. Knowing what we know of Morey - would he sign and trade for a guy like Bosh? Do you guys really think he would see value in offering Bosh a 7 year max contract? I say Bosh, because I don't see a realistic scenario where Lebron or Wade are convinced to come to Houston. While Lebron is worth every penny, I can see how Morey would seriously question the logic behind offering Bosh(24pts, 11boards, and a block) max money when he can pair a Scolandry combo who would give nearly the same production at a fraction of the cost. Moneyball isn't sexy but it's effective.


....now if we want to salivate at making a run at a key free agent, look to 2011 and tell me Morey isn't looking HARD at Kevin Durant.

 

that's what i have said too. if lebron wants to be the first billionaire athlete then he will do it thru dominating the NBA like jordan did. he has the best chance of that in cleveland where they actually have a team built around him and an owner who has continually given his GM the green light to spend to keep lebron there.

i don't think lebron has any intentions of leaving. i think he wanted the cleveland management and ownership to prove they want him there and they want to win a championship. i don't think there is any doubt they have spent the money and acquired the talent to prove it. new york has continually made terrible decisions and has gutted their talent base and draft to hope to sign someone. hell at least chicago would have a team around lebron...new york is trash.

 

Why would Wade want to play second banana to Lebron? Who cares if they are friends - we are talking about millions of dollars. I guarantee you if they share the bill on a team it will hurt Wade's brand and with a series of failed businesses and law suits already under his belt, I can't see him passing on that money.

Bosh? Maybe. He doesn't have as much of a name brand established for himself so Lebron or Wade could help him with that...plus he's a little bit of a different cat altogether. I could see him embracing the Pau Gasol role.

 

He could probably pick up some of Tiger woods stuff.

Seriously there's always money to be had in endorsements. And there is definitely more players in NYC and it's easier for Lebron connect with them thereas well plus in NYC some of the decision makers are Knicks fans.

I don't know if he can or not make more endorse ments. certainly it is very possible in . I do know some players love New York and dream of Playing New York and Lebron seems to be one of those players. He's hinted as much. So it may not be all about the money. My guess is he will either stay in cleveland or end up somewhere's in New York.

Also don't underestimate the Hype of winning in New York. Yes Championships trump New York. Losing is always forgetable. But Winning in New York is bigger to this country than winning in Cleveland. Look at our beloved Rockets. We win 2 championships back to back and the media barely gives us a spot on Sports Illustrated. People remember OJ's white Bronco but can't remeber what teams where playing that night. But people still talk about willis reed coming out of the locker room to help them win.

You can disagree but that's the way I see it.

 

The bottom line when it comes down to it is that there is ZERO way that the Knicks can realistically offer two max contracts and create a good team.

The Knicks, assuming that they let all contracts expire and do not make a qualifying offer to Sergio Rodgriguez, have a grand total of four players under contract. They will have say, 35 million in cap space and I think I'm being generous. Assuming a max deal is for 15 million (I don't know how much it is, and I'm being generous as Lebron will want probably want more.), if they offer two max deals, they will have about 5 million to spend for a minimum of 6 players just so they can round out the rosters. Basically, assuming Lebron/Wade:
No PG.
No bench.
No luxury whatsoever in case of injury (and given Wade, that is not smart.)
No draft picks, as we and the j*zz stole them all ( except for LOL 2010 second rounder.)

In short, even with Lebron/Wade, that is not a very good team. Probably playoffs, but in no way a contender.

A more realistic proposition is Lebron (15 million) and say, David Lee (10 million), which still means 10 million for 6 players, which still sucks.

I'm sorry, I don't see the Knicks attracting any of the elite free agents whatsoever, simply because as Morey observed, the current rules massively favor the teams under which originally had the free agents, ie. Cleveland. The Knicks will probably be forced to overpay for Rudy Gay, Boozer, or Joe Johnson, and hence will suck be an 8th seed. I honestly think they are no threat to the Lebron race.

 

In the East Wade/Lebron with a bunch of high schoolers are a playoff team. However they still have Chandler and Gallinari who are very good players. Look at Boston they had the big 3 with Rondo and nothing else. Would they win a championship year 1? Probably not, but they would definitely make the playoffs.