Wall Street Journal - The Myth of Systematic Racism

Eric Garner didn't die of asthma. He died of a cardiac event brought on by severe stress induced to his neck from a technique that was both banned on put on for an inordinate amount of time.

The argument that people like Eric Garner and George Floyd didn't die from the techniques that were put on them by LEO would be like claiming that that someone didn't die of a car crash but of a punctured lung from a steering column going through it.

 

Would you rather we “ surrender to lies”?

 

The harsh reality of system racism in the US, compare and contrast the Wen Ho Lee case vs the Michael Flynn case

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Wen Ho Lee, a Scientist at Los Alamos Lab in NM, who speaks English w a heavy accent, was convenient suspected of espionage.
He was shackled in chain in Federal prison for months, while awaiting for trial. he was never informed what crime that he had committed,
at the trial, the Gov could not charge Lee to any specific crime, other saying that he could have committed espionage.
in the trial, Gov was unable to

• identify / describe the secret the Lee has supposedly stolen
  • gov produced in court a design of the secret that was stolen,
    • the design was from another national lab, Sandia, not where Lee had worked
    • no one from Sandia was ever investigated for it
• identify the foreign country for whom Lee had work
  • gov said in court that it could have been China, Taiwan or Australia
  • the Federal judge threw the case out, calling it a farce.

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most probably, the Sandia design was stolen by a worker there who speaks perfect English

Michael Flynn

• was charged to specific crimes, to which he plead guilty in court
• Trump/Barr manipulate the legal system to free Michael Flynn, who has never spent a day behind bar

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you're also not brown(hispanic) like me, you are privileged lolol...we have to worry about cops asking if we are in this country legally, u don't....all i'm saying is that it is possible to both have systemic racism in the police and problems within your community that only the community itself can solve

 

Dan Crenshaw is speaking up. Respect.

 

Let me ask you a simple question.

Do you think it is harder to be poor? Do you think poor people have it harder when it comes to things like the court system, education, health, etc etc?

 

I couldn't read past this statement: "A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing." Go down to the "f"ing criminal court house as I did for a couple of years. Watch something besides Fox and Friends.

Note the word "structural". I suppose he would find it only if everyday the Head Judge, Prosecutor of Police Official gave a speech telling their charges to go out and target Black or Latinos today.

What a biased piece of hsit from a guy from a right wing think tank.

 

As a matter of fact that there are many studies that show while blacks aren't more likely to be shot than a white person, they are more likely to be incarcerated from the same crime and criminal history.

 

MLK wasn’t a President but Obama certainly should be added.

 

Nah rather blow it up than add him. He's a POS. There is no comparison to be made. Obama was divisive af, started terrorism/wars that drone strike children, and didn't deliver on healthcare.

 

The argument that you are setting up for ignores individuals and lacks nuance.

 

George Floyd was pinned down for nine minutes minutes

Garner wasn't held a minute. I dont care what your jiu jitsu sensei told you, you can't choke someone in 45 seconds

When NYPD banned the chokehold think Radio Raheem in the movie Do The Right Thing

 

No, no it does not. You couldn't even answer a simple question so that says you're not even interested in the nuance. You just want simple and easy, black and white, not interested in nuance or being challenged at all.

You know that being poor is harder in america. Just because one poor person makes it out of poverty doesn't mean they did it with ease.

The point being is that African Americans are more likely to be poor and the reasons, key among them, racism. Programs that were explicitly racist that affect blacks today. Some that aren't even all that old, not even a hundred years old, affects blacks today, anyone that says otherwise is just playing dumb.

If your grandfather or father owned valuable land or had a lot to pass down it makes YOUR life easier.

One thing that is interesting to me is now that people want to fight racism, want to make things better, there are those (you) that oppose it. That want to stand firmly in the way of it.

Some of you dudes defend statues more than you defend your fellow 'Americans' and then all of you represent one party...and wonder why black folk don't vote for that party.

 

Being poor... is more difficult in any society. This is not unique to america. We can't legislate outcomes but we have made opportinities equal. It will be up to individuals to build family equity. I know it sucks to not have an inheretance and a rich dad who will just get you a job, which is basically what people falsly assume all white people have, but trust me you and others are wealthy for the opportunities you have as Americans no matter your skin color. The system we have has afforded all black americans a great privlege and equal rights that are protected under the law.

 

I don't care if it is unique or not, it doesn't need to be unique to be wrong.

GI Bill, wrong.
Housing Discrimination, wrong.
Racial discrimination in the justice system, wrong.

We have numerous examples of this affecting the black community, making it harder on a community because of their race.

I don't care if other countries did something wrong, that's not the argument, if you want to argue about some other country's race issues then fine, we can make a thread about said other country, but this is about the USA.

A strawman is saying that all white people have it good...no one said that, but because of history, even recent history, a lot of white people have a head start because of their race.

 

Haven't read the WSJ article yet, but as a quasi social scientist, their conclusion would be news to me. The accepted story amongst academics in decades of peer reviewed statistical studies differ from the title of that article. For example:
"Racial disparities revealed in massive traffic stop dataset: Politcal science professor discusses book that analyzes 20 million traffic stops"
https://www.sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php#.XwNsOHVKiUk

 

Yes you can't choke some out in 45 seconds because if you're choking them for that long you've likely caused some sort of permanent damage. A properly done choke you can pass someone out in seconds. I've done it and Ive been passed out myself.

In this video it is less than 10 seconds before person passes out.

The technique put on Garner wasn't put on perfectly. The LEO rode him down and then continued pressure on him while he's face down. His airway isn't being cut off which is why you can still hear him talk. Pressure though is being put onto his neck and spine and according to the autopsy report that is what triggered the cardiac incident to cause his death.

 

I know we've debated this before hence my jiu jitsu comment so this is my last comment. The Garner case went to grand jury. They had 50 witnesses. It didn't make trial. At the end of the day I think its clear the officer had no malicious intent