Lol. Wait... Yet... But then... Yeah. Seems like you have 0 idea what you are talking about here. THE DSA which as you claim is ANTI-Capitalists apparently, according to you, allows in capitalists into their organization. No, it actually is. This is the LITERAL definition of it. Social Democrats are basically socialists that tolerate a bit more capitalism than other socialists. That's all. They like the private businesses and market but advocate for social programs for education, health, and things they deem that every citizen should have.
SMH, this isn't correct and it seems like you are content in posting confused BS simply because Bernie has the modern left in the US all sorts of confused about what Democratic Socialism and Social Democracy really are. He used the terms interchangeably and as such none of you guys seems to understand the difference. Social Democracy relies on a capitalist market to survive, the goal of Democratic Socialism is to destroy the capitalist system and replace it with a socialist system. Those two ideologies are not at all compatible in the long term due to that fundamental disagreement. Now sure, Democratic Socialists will support Social Democratic ideals in the short term in order to weaken the capitalist system, but eventually they'll move beyond that in order to reach their real goals. Seriously though, don't rely on propaganda, actually look up what these ideologies are about.
I'll watch it, but before I do, let me guess what they have to say "Socialism has never been done right" They'll attempt to give Socialism credit for the Capitalist system in the Nordic countries "Every major country is socialist because social programs = Socialism" Let's see how many of those they hit on.
I posted the dictionary definition of it and you are calling it propaganda and confused BS... Yeah...it doesn't matter how many actual definitions I throw at you, you will continue to repeat your points until you are convinced they are right. The goal of Democratic Socialists is not to destroy the capitalist system but to bring more socialism through the will of the people. That is the main point of it. Sure some of them go further than that but the main point of it is that. We can go back and forth on this all day long, political terms, throughout history, have a way of changing and meaning different things in different regions. The point here is that none of these Stalin-esque socialists have ANY power in America. Wait, did you just also ignore your whole "Social Democracy is not socialism" point? Because it completely is. Yes, because social programs are socialism by their very definition lol. Bobby, you are not for Social Democrats, if you were, you'd be a Bernie fan. That is EXACTLY what he is. Are you in favor of Social Democrats? Your posting history sure says otherwise, you've been openly against every social program that's been discussed here, right?
Looks like he hit on pretty much every common lie in support of Socialism that just about all of them do but he actually went considerably further and basically claimed that every good thing ever done was socialist in nature....even though none of it was actually by a socialist government. The biggest LOL moments were when he was trying to claim that all communists are actually right wing, didn't see that one coming, that's hilarious. Also, Plato was in favor of Aristocracy, not Socialism. So that was pretty much an outright lie. Anyway, as far as propaganda goes, if I was about 14 years old and I knew nothing about history or political systems then maybe some of it would have been convincing....but given that isn't the case, it was nothing but a solid laugh.
Of course Bernie is a Social Democrat....which is why I tell you to stop calling him a Democratic Socialist....and why other people tell him to stop calling himself and others that. The issue is that he acts like he doesn't know the difference and it makes him look really stupid. Even Denmark had to call him out on it when he kept suggesting they were a Democratic Socialist society when they are pretty clearly Social Democrats. The ignorance on the left when it comes to these different ideologies is pretty ridiculous. If you ultimately want the means of production to be seized by the government (or people as they'd say) then you are a Democratic Socialist, if you want the means of production to continue to be controlled privately but you think social programs are kind of cool, then you are a Social Democrat.
Did Denmark say that or did someone from Denmark say that lol. No, that just makes you a socialist. Again... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism "Democratic socialists oppose the Stalinist political system and Soviet economic model, rejecting the authoritarian form of governance and highly centralized command economy that took form in the Soviet Union in the early 20th century." What you are talking about is what they oppose. Which is also a form of socialism either way. None of these terms really have any meaning though when you are labeling politicians as these terms and ignoring whether their policies actually fit the label you are giving them.
It's clearly hopeless talking to the American left about their own ideology, far too many have bought in to inaccurate descriptions and propaganda and they reject the truth when they hear that it is different from that propaganda. I honestly blame the school system for letting so many down.
Agree 100%. I guess they don't teach that human nature is the downfall of socialism in school these days.
I watched your video. There are some fresh new takes on the tired old propaganda for socialism. Some of it is misleading and other parts are false. Bobbie summed it up nicely.
Maybe it is just me, but I get the feeling that many of the people who are supporters of socialism are the ones who would directly cause it to fail. They are much more interested in what they would get out of it than what they would put into it.
LOL Dude, terms have meanings. Your argument is bad. It goes "Democratic Socialists just are secretly Stalinists." When, the term, EXPLICTLY OPPOSES THAT. If they are a Democratic Socialist and then become a Stalinist then they no longer are a Democratic Socialist. I LITERALLY linked you to the wiki so that it would be a neutral link...then to actual definitions of the terms, all of this is 'Propaganda' according to you so there is no point in having any discussions when there is no basis to even go on. The basis is always your own special definitions.
Yeah...that's my point, you keep using completely opposed terms to mean the same thing. You say that people are Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats simultaneously when that can't happen. The reason Democratic Socialists want to conflate the terms is that there has been some success with Social Democracy since it's a capitalist system and there has never been any success with Socialist systems.....and Democratic Socialism is just another Socialist system. I've spelled out for you the differences, but you refuse to see them. Terms have meanings, you need to understand those meanings and act accordingly. The goal of Democratic Socialism is the destruction of the capitalist system and the implementation of a Socialist system, the goal of Social Democracy is capitalism helping finance social programs. The two are incompatible because they are opposed to one another.
I watched your video and was even less impressed. I'm sure, like Bobby says, it appeals to 14 year olds though, especially with all the clips from movies and stuff, probably keeps the attention. First misrepresents what Sanders said completely. Made me want to turn it off right there. Goes on to say that Sanders is just trying to "Buy" votes. Doesn't think Bernie Sanders defined his worldview when he literally gave a definition that Democratic Socialists believe that 1% of the population having too much of the wealth is immoral. Again, go to the wiki...he uses his own words but this is basically a tenant of it. Just because Crowder disagrees with his 'world view' doesn't make it less valid. Again, he doesn't get it, for Sanders it's not about "FREE ****" It's about taking care of the civilians, providing basic health care for instance. This was not even 1 minute in and I've already decided that he's pretty ignorant. "It comes down to what you believe the role of Government has." Basically, yes. So then why does he then explain what the role the Government has? That's HIS view. He doesn't get to define that for me. No thanks. At least he admits that SOME forms of socialism fail. Not all forms of socialism fail. Mentions Lenin constantly... should have expected that. Says Government exists to bully people. His view of Government "You give us this, or men with guns take it from you." then says that Walmart may give you low wages but they don't put a glock in your face. Yeah...sure...I guess...if you like slave labor then please support unhinged and uncontrolled capitalism. I'd rather be dead then work for slave wages. Maybe people like him like being corporate slaves though, not sure. Makes fun of other political talking heads "TYT neurosurgeons lul" while he has 0 credentials himself? Just a random thing I guess...he doesn't seem like a rocket scientist himself Says that socialism puts too much trust in the governement... This is the main issue I have with this arugment. "Socialism puts too much trust into the government but we all know people like Clinton, Obama, etc are all corruptible..." all while people that oppose nearly every socialist program like Crowder puts complete trust in corporations...as if Corporations are not led by...you guessed it...corruptible people. People that will sell you cigarettes and tell you it's healthy to make a buck. At the end of it I realized I learned not a single thing and instead wasted 20 mins of my time.
"Sven Olof Joachim Palme (Swedish: [²uːlɔf ²palmɛ] ( listen); 30 January 1927 – 28 February 1986) was a Swedish Social Democratic politician and statesman. A longtime protégé of Prime Minister Tage Erlander, Palme led the Swedish Social Democratic Party from 1969 until his assassination in 1986, and was a two-term Prime Minister of Sweden, heading a Privy Council Government from 1969 to 1976 and a cabinet government from 1982 until his death. " "...Domestically, his democratic socialist views, especially the drive to expand Labour Union influence over business ownership, engendered a great deal of hostility from the organized business community." But continue on living in your own world with your own definitions.
https://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism The quote above is from the Democratic Socialist website (link provided). They state "in the short term we can't eliminate private corporations". That screams that the long term goal is to actually eliminate private corporations while they regulate and tax them into submission in the "short term". If they want to try to sell this Democratic Socialist bullcrap to people who understand the dangers of socialism, they should avoid references to the regular old socialistic goals. Taking over private industry has worked very well in Venezuela, don't you think?
