I think it is on Adelman....I have a theory brewing, but not sure I am ready to unleash it on the site yet...lol. DD
The beauty of the adelman offense is its equal opportunity. Defenses cant really key in on anything because the ball is constantly moving and players are constantly moving. I see Ariza moving without the ball, hitting jumpers, scoring in transition, getting OREBS and put backs. He can score in alot of different ways and Adelman will find a way to take advantage of that.
Fine, pm the theory to me... For the record, I'm a fan of Battier and Wafer. If the choice is Battier vs. Wafer, I take Battier every time. If the choice is the playing styles of the two, then I'm not really sure, I suppose it depends on what the rest of the team makeup is... For instance, I could deal with a Battier and a Von playing, but two Von's and I might be a little concerned. I think they both bring something unique and the combination of two types of players like them is definitely preferable to two of just one kind.
I think u need both styles. Similar to qb's in the nfl, they can't play scared. To me, shane plays great d and scared on offense. You can't be scared of failure. Battier is the gold watch guy.The 40yr plant worker who gets along with everyone. He's riding this job till the end,but he doest want to advance because he doesn't want that responsibility.Wafer is like a dot.com boom. He took a gamble and hit it rich.A lot of people see him as a johnny come lately even though he was good and lucky. the signs are going back and forth. He might come thru on the other side like a champ or he might wind up broke.America's economy can't have all or neither,its needs bonus.
I was considering typing a "what if you're a Lowry fan?" post earlier, cos IMO, he brings a mix of both types of players you describe. - athleticism - speed - able to create shot for himself - takes charges (ok he flops, but so does Battier) - dives for balls - makes team mates better He is way behind Chris Paul but from his interviews and Morey's interviews, it's certainly not because he's "content" with his skill level. Morey said when the season ended Lowry was talking about improving his jumpshot over the summer and taking a thousand jumpers a day. I definitely don't think we have seen Lowry's peak yet.
if i were to compare this to the nuggets, battier being billups and von being iverson. who would you rather have? a player who plays the right way, or a player that can flat out play. well, the nugs got better with billups. memphis was always in playoff contention before we snagged battier. coincidence. i think not. i'm a battier fan. i wouldn't trade him unless we were clearly getting a better player.
See, this thread here is the type of thing that gets people going for each others' throats.... This isn't a question, for me anyway, of which guy is more valuable to your team. or which guy is the better player. Both of those ideas are subjective, to say the very least about it. Usually, what you do is decide how you want your team to go about winning ballgames. Then you get players who fit that idea, keeping in mind both sides of the ball need to be adequately accounted for. And since nobody's perfect, and even fewer people excel at both offense and defense, you need a team balanced and deep enough to cover for one another's weaknesses. I'm greedy. I want both Shane Battier and Von Wafer. Especially if you still want a team to complement Yao Ming. You want guys who play hard. You want guys who play smart. You want guys who are opportunistic on offense. You want guys who are at least accountable on defense. Where is this rule written that you have to get all these things from just one player? From watching Hakeem Olajuwon all those years? Or Michael Jordan? Kobe Bryant? Dwayne Wade? LeBron James? Kevin Garnett? Has anybody stopped to consider that those types of players are rare? That you don't find them on sale at the flea market? Or if by some miracle you do happen across a couple of them, you're still going to need a pretty good team if you're looking to win the championship? I can have as much fun as anybody, picking this guy apart or building this guy up. I could prefer a smart defender to a explosive scorer. I could covet floor burns over high-flying dunks, or stingy defense over electrifying scoring. Having choices is nice. Variety is the spice of life, after all. Doesn't hurt to have some of that variety on your ball club, either.... I'd rather be a Rockets fan than either on of those guys. Because at the end of the day, whatever you think of the both of them, you'll be cheering for them both if the team wins.
I would say battier. Even as a straight guy, I would say battier's better looking. Though they might like wafer's flashiness, I don't think they'd go for a guy in a mohawk.
I don't think you can contrast battier with von wafer. Wafer doesn't represent an archetype Von Wafer short comings have nothing to do with his athleticism and ability to score. There are plenty of guys in the league who are explosive, athletic, and can play team basketball and set picks and do the intangibles.
WTF???? Why do so many people hate on Wafer. He is young, promising, and has a special talent. You can't even compare Battier and Wafer. Wafer is a dynamic offensive guy and Battier is the best one on one player in the league on defense. Those are two types of players you need on a team. So stop trying to put down Wafer because he was a big part of our offensive that we needed last year.
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Ariza's definitely the more gifted all-around player, but Wafer averaged more points/game in less minutes during the regular season. I applaud Ariza for his outstanding play during the playoffs, but the dominant play of two perennial All-Stars, Kobe and Gasol, freed up Ariza for spot-up three pointers and basic backdoor cuts to the rim. We'll see how he performs in the spotlight as a go-to-guy. He definitely has the potential to score 15/game, but it's going to be much tougher creating his own shots against the opposing team's best perimeter defender.
Score 16ppg on 50% shooting as a starter? Against 1st team defenses? In his first year of quality playing time? What a scrub.
Scratch that. Everything any rocket can do offensively, outside of Brooks and Scola, comes much easier to Von.
I don't think anybody is knocking Von's offense. It is his everything else. Basketball is more than just scoring points.
DD, if you don't tell us this theory now, then if it comes true later, you can't claim to have seen it coming. So using leebigez's comparison, don't be scared to shoot like Battier -- be bold like your boy Vohawk and bring it NOW. And speaking of LBEZ... Remember me? How about me? Maybe us? Well, five years from now, you'll have a hard time remembering this: Wafer is occasionally fun to watch, but he plays in a world of his own. At times, he almost seems to be totally disconnected from his own team. That kind of thinking may work for Golden State or the Clippers, but not on a Rick Adelman team.
