but without benefit of replay. Mistakes in live action happen many times every game in every sport. But most calls cannot be reviewed. Javie even empathizes with the referee in his video explanation. Also, the point is, Javie definitely explains the rule and how it should be interpreted. He clearly states the right foot was not a pivot, as part of the Traveling Rule. Yes, in live play it could go both ways, just like the bad 24-second call earlier. But Steve Javie has the benefit of slow motion.
Well, you have a point. NBA said they would look into the questionable calls in game 4. Hope they will release an announcement about this one.
How can you compare it to the 24 second call? With the benefit of replay, NOBODY can argue that it was the corect call. With the travel call, not only can it still be interpreted either way, I feel like the majority of people still think it was a travel.
Yeah, who knows. That might say Wade was not in rhythm by standing too long (like a flamingo on one leg) before going to the step back move, but otherwise, they have made rules like this where they state definitely that the planted foot is not a pivot foot when gather the ball. Here's another one with video <a href="http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/29/wade-no-travel.ap/index.html">Official NBA Ruling: Wade did not travel on game-winner vs Bobcats (2011)</a> "Tim Frank explains Thursday that: "Wade gathers the ball with his right foot on the floor, and step one is when both feet touch the floor simultaneously. He then steps with his right foot for step two." The video is not in slow motion (they never release slow mo on the official site), but the explanation by Frank is clear. Wade's right foot being on the floor when he gathers the ball is not counted as Step 1. Frank explains Step 1 and Step 2 are action after the right foot leaves the floor. So, it was never the pivot.
They went to replay on that? I didn't know they could. If so, never mind the comparison. This is getting to be beyond the point. Interpreting the rules are clear. Both Javie on this play, and Frank in the new link I gave above clearly state that if a foot is on the ground prior to and while he is gathering the ball, it is not the pivot foot. The player still has two more steps. Don't you agree that Javie and Frank clearly explain the rules to us like that?
I'll be honest. I started this thread in a very manipulative way, because I knew the following: 1. I was pretty sure it wasn't a travel, like 99% sure 2. I KNEW pacertom would come in and call us all idiots for not seeing the CLEAR travel 3. I knew some NBA refs would eventually chime in 4. I knew pacertom would make a fool of himself and disappear afterwards 5. I wanted to show the board that a step back, which Harden does regularly is basically the same as a jump stop in reverse. NBA rules don't mention step backs, but they do mention jump stops - so I thought it would be a great educational discussion Yes it was manipulative. I admit.
Javie isn't really definitive. We've actually seen guys disagree on other plays with the benefit of the same replays. Heck, an umpiring crew in baseball can fail to see a ball go over a wall on replay and not know the rules about bringing pitchers in from the bullpen. Only the NBA can truly say either way for certainty. That being said, Javie is the most "expert" opinion we have seen to date.
Just explain why George Hill is getting more FTA than Lebron James on most games please. The Heat should in fact cry foul. I'm surprised Spoelstra hasn't publicly denounced the refs for giving Hibbert all the freedom in the world to do what he does. He should be in foul trouble at least 3 games in this series. And George Hill and Paul George getting more FTA than the best perimeter player in the world. Furthermore, Indy has a huge advantage in the free throw attempts every game. And game 4 had some really weird calls. And LBJ fouled out 1 game and in game 1 nearly fouled out. And this guy never gets fouls. And he doesn't really guard anyone that's great offensively in this series. But the Heat will still win the series so it's all pointless. The NBA has definitely made sure this is a competitive series though with the reffing being advantageous to the Pacers.
The step back part is actually legal. The NBA changed the rules a few years ago to make it explicitly clear that they allow two steps after the dribble. There was always a ton of complaints that they allowed too many steps, so instead of enforcing the rule, they changed it. However no one has mentioned yet that Wade TOOK FOUR STEPS before he dribbled. He received the ball off of a pass. Took three steps to come to a stop. Pump faked while taking another step, and then dribbled. It was a really obvious call. Look at the whole play. He took 8 steps with a pump fake thrown in and only took one dribble. That is why they called the travel.
Spoelstra hasn't denounced refs because there isn't much to complain, lol. There were bad calls against both teams and I don't think those calls changed the results so far. If you watched those games and are objective, you would know why Pacers shot more free throws. In the end better team in the series wins. Fans should just accept that and quit complaining.
Because when Roy Hibbert is in the game, LBJ has only ATTEMPTED 3 shots in the paint in 4 games. Got any other ridiculously easy questions?
It's the NCAA rulebook (I didn't link!) But the NBA claim to enforce the same travel rule, just worded differently to 'clear confusion'. I understand what Javie is saying, but that's interpretive rather than strictly literal. If not done in slow motion, I'll bet Wade doesn't get called, and this thread never exists, and nobody a thread complaining that he travelled (because it happens all the time). Anyway, I won't argue about it - I was just late to the party and had to have a rant about it! Got that done and dusted and could care less what the call is in a series between Heat/Pacers. If it had been Durant getting called for that in our playoff series and we won, I'd agree. If it had been Parsons getting called, I'd agree with Javie
Word? Explain all those post-ups alone in game 3 on Paul George. And there are youtube highlights of LBJ v. the Pacers that disprove your myth. And FYI, the Heat have OUTSCORED the Pacers in the paint for the series.
Mistakes happen in real time, sometimes refs miss calls. That's what I've been trying to say. Wade shuffled his feet on the pump fake, which was indeed a travel. But apparently people think he travelled on the step back, which was not the case. It was an exaggerated and awkward step back, but still a legal step back.
ok, thx. And I'm sure you're right about their interpretation. I'm down with that. I'm just not so sure the NBA follows that interpretation. Certainly the Euro Step must be traveling nearly half the time then. I'm not so sure about this. I've seen the NBA make an official ruling after the fact on these times of travel/no travel calls. I posted one above on this page. Regarding a call in 2011. Link in post above. "But spokesman Tim Frank explains Thursday [Dec. 28th, 2011] that: "Wade gathers the ball with his right foot on the floor, and step one is when both feet touch the floor simultaneously. He then steps with his right foot for step two." Frank is explaining that he saw in slow motion, review Wade gather the ball with his "right foot on the floor." And he proceeds to say that Wade did a jump stop on Step 1 and replants his right foot for Step 2.
This is the NBA's official clarification on the travel rule in general: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/10/23/traveling.rule.ap/index.html Just if you're interested
Wade is tpa dirty mofo and the biggest douchebag in the league. Who cares if he didnt or did travel. Man deserves to lose
