Shaq was so dominant few years ago, kobe can afford to save all his energy and sleep walk through the first 3 quarters and try to take control in the 4th quarter. One good example, few seasons ago, lakers vs T-mac's magic, where kobe was able to conserve his energy the first 3 quarters whereas t-mac has to work hard to carry his team. Then only at the final quarter, kobe started to play and all the kobe wankers said kobe shut down t-mac the last quarter and carried the lakers to the win. Well kobe shut down the tired t-mac cos his has Shaqira whereas t-mac has..... Juwam Howard...... Conclusion, with shaqira in his prime, kobe can afford to saves his game for the end. Whereas Wade works his a$$ from start till the end..... lets keep comparing.......
again kobe 3 rings to wades only having one, and i see nobody arguin that wade wont get another ring next year. and i saw somebody actually compare devean george, an aggravated payton, and very old malone to the wades team, allow me this moment to laugh. BOTTOMLINE, kobe and lebron wudve gone 4-0 on the series, and kobe has THREE RINGS, which is all that matters. ask malone, barkeley and ewing how many the got, and then ask them if they cared about finals mvp.
haha, there is no comparison between these two teams, wade team is superior to any of kobes former teams, excludin a younger shaq
I guess you're right. Rings ARE the only thing that matters. After all, we all know that Steve Kerr pwns Kobe and Wade put together.
While the talent on Miami was better than the Laker teams, this talent was absolutely useless, Wade had to do everything. His teammates came up with a few plays, there's no disputing that-- but the Lakers all played their roles on those championship teams. On a further note, i don't see how this validates the "Shaq can win without Kobe" argument seeing as he was carried by Wade, not exactly something to brag about.
Huh? Wouldn't a younger Shaq make Kobe's teams superior? How can you exclude him, when he was the most dominant player in the league during their run?
The thing about Kobe was that he could have blown up during the playoffs and finals but really he was reigned in by Jackson and the fact that Shaq was playing well...he was let loose when the game was on the line...he could have very well taken over and posted insane numbers All that nonsense about Kobe saving himself up...are we forgetting that Kobe is a tireless scorer.... As stated earlier...I want to hear someone say mr "mvp" Wade is going to win it again next year.... It's easy to dominate games when you're rolling w/ the refs...can't nobody stop ya....
i said without shaq in the equation, i swear i think there shud be a certain education level for ppl to read and post
I dont know and dont have any stats with me but if i m not wrong, the FG% of kobe's 4th quarter was not that in the last 2 seasons compare to those shaq's era..... Wade is just takin the advantage of the new NBA hand checking rule. I wont be suprised next season we will have at least 5 30points per game scorers.
During the regular season the hand check rule was taken advantage of...during the finals Wade and the refs have completely perverted the rule....
Yawn ....Okay I'll say this again for you...Kobe's Lakers team with Shaq was more talented than than the Heat. You take Kobe out of those teams and they would still at least advance to the second round in the west and possibly to the west final. If you take Wade off this heat team, they might not even make the playoffs. Wade carrier the Heat. Shaq carried the Lakers. What is the point of saying Kobe would have had less to work with without Shaq. He had Shaq so he had more to work with. That's why he has 2 more titles.
Thats assesine and you know it...how about comparing players around the same level...we're talking 1st tier players (kobe) and 2nd tier players (dwade)...Not roll players like Kerr....I've always hated that people try to bring up roll players when talking about greatness...
As far as I'm concerned O'neal did his part through the 1st 3 rounds, he just sort of disappeared in the finals because he knew Wade had things going his way and Shaq is getting old...I still think it's valid to compare the teams excluding Shaq though...Every finals series the Lakers could have won with the status quo Shaq...it just so happened they had the Shaq in his prime...
Yes till he finishes rounding out his game...the teams need to do a better job of watching his game tape and do a better job of preparing for him...the zone defense was a good start...
So what are you saying? That guys who mean more to their teams and are a bigger part of their success are on a different level than guys who play smaller roles? Such as an MVP guy who put the entire team on his back and carried the team to a title, versus a guy who got carried by quite possibly the most dominant big man in history. Very interesting. This was my exact point when spydermex said that rings are the only things that matters. To me, how you get the rings are just important when you are judging relative acheivments. Wade played a bigger role towards his team's success this year than Kobe did during his title runs. That makes Wade's performance more impressive in my eyes.
