Wacko Cindy Sheehan cozies up to leftist dictator Chavez

hey anyone who gives free/cheap gas is a friend

just ask bush and cheney

 

okay, i shouldn't have used a terminal adjective. you know what i meant. hell, i'm not even saying i agree with one damn thing she says or does. but people shouldn't expect an otherwise ordinairy citizen to behave as some sort of paragon of america.

 

Where, then, are the other thousands of Cindy Sheehans? She alone has taken this self-aggrandizing route. I know people are different, but c'mon...

 

She doesn't seem all that well informed from the interviews I've heard with her. I'm all for anyone speaking out on issues. I applaude her for campaigning and bringing attention to issues she is concerned about. But some of the mistakes she's made about matters of fact have been glaring and it might discredit the other points she makes.

Her comment about chavez suggesting she run for president and the fact that that comment is the one that she brought up gives me the feeling that she is enjoying being a leader and spokesperson about something and that she has been blinded by the spotlight a little bit. It's not like that is such a horrendous sin to make, but it is the feeling that I get.

 

Isn't there some "mothers for Cindy Sheehan" organization or something? I don't really follow her politic...

For those who don't speak up - it's quite likely they feel that they owe it to the US and/or their lost ones to not belittle the cause. Or its denial - they don't want to acknowledge the possibility of losing their children for nothing. Or its any of a number of confused emotions.

I don't know and really, it's irrelevant.

 

I'm asking why there aren't 3,000+ other mothers of dead shoulders putting there arms around critics of the US like Chavez.

Some here are making an excuse for Sheehan because of her grievous loss. If she has, indeed, lost the support of her family, then something is probably out of kilter here.

She can do what she wants within reason if it helps her grieving in my book, but the issue is the attention she is getting from the press still.

 

I guess I don't know enough to affirm for certain that she does not have, as FB puts it, an inflated feeling of self-importance. In fact, I think she probably has taken some things entirely too far.

But I just can't blame her for being upset about it. And if that takes her down the path of talking to others critical of US policy that's fine - it doesn't hurt anything.

And I appreciate the press still following the story - not because I give a rip about Cindy, but because hopefully it will make other American's question if this elective war really is worth it; or if there ever was sound rationale for putting our soldiers at risk.

FWIW, I don't think it's some "liberal press" influence - it's just a good story sure to provoke controversy.

 

I never said he was a role model of democracy. The contempt and disgust I have for shrub has no bearing on how I feel about Chavez, but apparently by your logic if I hate shrub, I must love chavez. Is that how it is? Well thank you madame Cleo! My point was and maybe you happened to miss it was that he was elected by the people of Venezuela. So please tell me with how that equates with a dictatorship?

 

The media largely choose who to make their darling. Did Rosa Parks decline all interviews? No.

Martin Luther King and many civil rights leaders supported foreign leaders who were against the type of wars you support. I suppose till he became an icon, MLK, too, was just into an inflated sense of self.

On a personal level, Cindy must be an affront to chickenhawks as she walks the walk and gives her all for her beliefs. Meanwhile they don't go to fight their war or even give up their day job. For many, I suspect, even a bumper sticker would be too much commitment.

 

There is a difference between taking interviews and flying out of the country for a pr campaign with a foreign leader.

Get specific.

And I suppose you've quit your job and are daily protesting on the Capitol steps, eh Glynch? Or are you still in Canada?

 

this pretty much sums up the neo-cons. its either or - either you agree with the president or you agree with bin laden.

any critisicm of bush and his policies is an attack on america, the troops and freedom. there is no difference b/t the leader and the state - to attack one is to attack both (sounds like a certian mr. schickelgruber, doesnt it?)

"IRAQ AND ROLL"

Words and Music by Clint Black and Hayden Nicholas

YOU CAN WAVE YOUR SIGNS IN PROTEST
AGAINST AMERICA TAKING STANDS
THE STANDS AMERICA'S TAKEN
ARE THE REASON THAT YOU CAN

IF EVERYONE WOULD GO FOR PEACE
THERE'D BE NO NEED FOR WAR
BUT WE CAN'T IGNORE THE DEVIL
HE'LL KEEP COMING BACK FOR MORE

SOME SEE THIS IN BLACK AND WHITE
OTHERS ONLY GRAY
WE'RE NOT BEGGING FOR A FIGHT
NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY

WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION
THAT SHOULD PUT'EM ALL TO SHAME
BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF DEADLINE
WHEN I'M CALLED IN THE GAME

CHORUS
I RAQ, I RACK'EM UP AND I ROLL
I'M BACK AND I'M A HIGH TECH GI JOE
I PRAY FOR PEACE, PREPARE FOR WAR
AND I NEVER WILL FORGET
THERE'S NO PRICE TOO HIGH FOR FREEDOM
SO BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU TREAD

THIS TERROR ISN'T MAN TO MAN
THEY CAN BE NO MORE THAN COWARDS
IF THEY WON'T SHOW US THEIR WEAPONS
WE MIGHT HAVE TO SHOW THEM OURS

IT MIGHT BE A SMART BOMB
THEY FIND STUPID PEOPLE TOO
AND IF YOU STAND WITH THE LIKES OF SADDAM
ONE JUST MIIGHT FIND YOU

CHORUS II
I ROCK, I RACK'EM UP AND I ROLL
I'M BACK AND I'M A HIGH TECH GI JOE
I'VE GOT INFRARED, I'VE GOT GPS AND I'VE GOT THAT GOOD OLD FASHIONED LEAD
THERE'S NO PRICE TOO HIGH FOR FREEDOM
SO BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU TREAD

BRIDGE
NOW YOU CAN COME ALONG
OR YOU CAN STAY BEHIND
OR YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY
BUT OUR TROOPS TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE
FOR THE GOOD OLD U.S.A.


I ROCK, I RACK'EM UP AND I ROLL
IN THE USA
I ROCK, I RACK'EM UP AND I ROLL
I'M TALKIN' ABOUT THE USA

 

i agree - what does a visit w/ chavez have to do with the iraq war and her son's death?

i think she has gone over the line (if she hadnt already). when she was camped out at "the western white house" she had the sympathy and ears of most REASONABLE americans, but her actions of late are doing nothing more than alienating her and marginalizing her cause.

 

Brings a tear to your eye huh?

 

It gets worse:

 

I got my finger on the trigger
But I don't know who to trust
When I look into your eyes
There's just devils and dust
We're a long, long way from home, Bobbie
Home's a long, long way from us
I feel a dirty wind blowing
Devils and dust

I got God on my side
And I'm just trying to survive
What if what you do to survive
Kills the things you love
Fear's a powerful thing, baby
It can turn your heart black you can trust
It'll take your God filled soul
And fill it with devils and dust

Well I dreamed of you last night
In a field of blood and stone
The blood began to dry
The smell began to rise
Well I dreamed of you last night, Bobbie
In a field of mud and bone
Your blood began to dry
And the smell began to rise

We've got God on our side
We're just trying to survive
What if what you do to survive
Kills the things you love
Fear's a powerful thing, baby
It'll turn your heart black you can trust
It'll take your God filled soul
Fill it with devils and dust
It'll take your God filled soul
Fill it with devils and dust


Now every woman and every man
They wanna take a righteous stand
Find the love that God wills
And the faith that He commands
I've got my finger on the trigger
And tonight faith just ain't enough
When I look inside my heart
There's just devils and dust

Well I've got God on my side
And I'm just trying to survive
What if what you do to survive
Kills the things you love
Fear's a dangerous thing
It can turn your heart black you can trust
It'll take your God filled soul
Fill it with devils and dust
Yeah it'll take your God filled soul
Fill it with devils and dust

 

Interesting perspective in light of the fact that many prominent 'neo-cons' have criticized Bush's handling of the war.

 

Hayes:

I know you have a very different definition of "neo-con", but that definition has been usurped by the Bush-Cheney Junta.

 

So would this be considered "sharing common cause" with the enemy?

 

That sums up the relevance of Cindy Sheehan very well, rhadamanthus. Unlike Vietnam, which had an effect on America I remember too well, this war has been waged at "a remove" from the day to day lives of Americans. Some of us have family members there, in the military and working for American contractors, and some, like Ms. Sheehan, have suffered the ultimate tragedy. For every mother like her, there are several times that many dealing with loved ones maimed by this war. We hear very little about those casualties and the impact on those families.

During Vietnam, it was widely supported in the beginning by the vast majority of Americans. It was seen as another theatre in the Cold War, and was portrayed in the media as a vital one, despite the history of the colonial French government, and the failed attempt by Ho Chi Minh to get help from the United States to obtain their freedom from colonial rule. We preferred to back our ally in it's attempt to retain it's empire in Southeast Asia, post WWII. We didn't help them a hell of a lot, but we did enough to alienate the opposition. That came back to bite us.

When LBJ took JFK's tentative intervention, which he was very uncertain about, and was seriously considering ending, and went in full-boar, it was millions of draftees who were called to fight. It affected the entire country. If you were not middle class, and could afford to keep your kid in college, or if you didn't know how to work the system like Cheney did to use every deferment possible, short of conscientious objector, to stay out, then you had a very real chance of your son(s) being sent there. Hundreds of thousands were drafted and packed off to an alien environment, fighting an enemy who knew the terrain, had, in far too many areas, the support of the local population, and was a civil war, with us as the foreign interlopers. The French finally had the good sense to bug out. It took us years to see the handwriting on the wall. It didn't take years for people like me, but that's another story.

Sheehan did a service for America. She brought attention to the families who's sons and daughters were being maimed and killed in a conflict brought about by the choice of this President, without there being a "clear and present danger" to the United States from Iraq and it's dictator. I admire her for that. She's not alone, either. I have a problem with what she is doing now, however, and I believe it damages the very cause she served so well, not that long ago. She shed light on the human cost of the war on American families. How does embracing Chavez serve that? In my opinion, it doesn't, and in fact does quite the opposite.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

It is true that I don't use the term as an all encompassing catchphrase of evil as those out in bloggerdom do. If one wants to refer to the Bush-Cheney administration, then maybe that's what they should reference.