And allegedly Cutler wasn't great in practice either. Other than Mort and "anonymous scouts," who else hassaid that Cutler was great?
but there are nfl network analysts who had him even as the top qb.. that's what I'd have said if I wasn't done with this thread...all the comments ive heard about him were good from the practice.. other than kiper who says he is overhyped when he was the one who started the hype in first place
gr8-1.. just saw the other comment.. I don't know for sure Cutler's arm is stronger, other people are claiming Vince is stronger without ever even seeing Cutler try to throw a long ball. I just don't feel that most the people on this thread know enough about his arm to make a judgement on if it is stronger or not
anyways this is pointless, I'll talk to some of his teammates and try to get an exact distance ... but I have seen him throw 60-70 yard passes in live action in a game.. oh and I'll make a contribution when I get a job after graduation in May so I can edit
IMO VY arm would have to be not in the same ballpark as Cutler's for Cutler to go before him. VY has major props for being incredibly athletic for a guy his size, handling pressure (media and field pressure) and being a winner/team leader. (With the only legit concern of VY relative to other QB prospects at this point would be ability/readiness to run a pro style offense). Since Vandy doesn't have much pressure (media or high stakes) and has never been very good, there is just no way to assess a lot of Cutler's intangables. The same applies for Leinart versus Cutler, even if the skills are close (or even Cutler could have a slight edge) you just can't assume Cutler is the same kind of field general in big time situations. (Also, both VY and ML are two+ inches taller, never hurts) IMO unless Leinart blows in his workout I really, really, doubt Cutler is anything other than a the 3rd QB taken. IMO he had to not just beat but blow away throwing workouts of VY and ML, and I think it is say to say at worst VY's workout wasn't blown away by Cutler.
Yes, but Cutler created a buzz with his pro-wrestling style "call-out" of Young & Leinart during the combine, knowing that he had nothing to lose, they had everything to lose, and there was no possible way either would be stupid enough to decide on the spur of the moment to work-out at the combine having not prepared for it. You have to give him credit for taking no risks like that, it's the equivalent of the bar-fight scenario of the dude who lunges after a guy with the "Hold me back, guys" nod to his buddies - or Joe Calzaghe calling out James Toney to fight him at 168 last week. Easy to talk tough when there's no risk.
lol I don't think I'd call it a pro-wresting style call out.. and I'm not saying Cutler will go ahead of them.. I'm just saying from seeing him in person and his personality etc over the last 4 years.. I personally think that he will show the intangables at the pro level... I've seen enough of him to believe he has leadership skills etc
I don't know what is wrong with him saying he wishes they were working out too.. and believe me he'd talk just as tough if vince was throwing.
There's nothing wrong with him marketing himself and feeding the hype - he'd be an idiot not to do so. And yes he'd talk just as tough regardless, he has nothing to lose - at worst he'd look worse than two of the greatest college players in recent memory - no shame in that.
He does seem to have a good agent. He also gained a lot by coming back for his senior year. Coming back was the one bright spot for a team that had their starting running back and potential nfl prospect murdered over the offseason.
With regards to their respective workouts, Colin Herd stated that Cutler made every throw and looked very accurate in cold and windy conditions. VY looked good indoors. I think these "throwing workouts" are a joke. Every QB "should" be able to hit a wide open receiver with no pressure.
That is what I've heard from most people.. and I'm a student so I can back up the fact that it was cold and windy the day of his workout. My understanding is that the throws were accurate despite the wind. Kiper at the senior bowl was talking about his hands being too small, but he has proven time and time again that he can make throws in bad conditions. Oddly enough, at the combine his hands ended up being the same size as the bama qb that supposedly people said had bigger hands...
one of his issues with the hands, but once they were measured.. they ended up not being that small.. so I don't think that is really as big an issue as he made it out to be during the senior bowl
Hand size with a quarterback is only important because of fumbles, correct? If he wasn't a fumbler in college then hand size shouldn't matter, like Daunte Culpepper, he has tiny hands and fumbles a whole bunch, but he also throws some of the tightest spirals in the NFL.
the thing is.. his hands aren't that small and they ended up being the same measurement as other quarterbacks that people were claiming had bigger hands.. he's the only person I've ever heard mention hands size, and I dont think his hand size is a problem. Reportedly he said that Croyle had bigger hands, and at the combine measurement that wasn't true.. need to find a quote to make sure he actually said croyle had bigger hands, but I did hear him talk about Cutler's hands and at the time all the vandy fans were like.. never have we heard that
